Atheist kills muslims and Gun Control a bad thing?

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23 Feb 2015, 2:19 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

I have not heard anything about the shooter's true motivation other than talk about a parking space since it happened. I do know the shooter had made very hostile statements online about religion, so the victims' Islamic faith might have been the factor that had set him off. It was recalled how the female victim had previously spoken how she had been shaken by his sudden hostility when he saw her in her head scarf, so religion may have been the switch that finally set him off.

I don't know, I've gotten so wary of speculation regarding motivation in these things, half the time the news doesn't even get the basic facts straight, let alone what may have been going through someone's head at the time.

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23 Feb 2015, 2:23 am

This started out as an obvious attempt by the OP with the help of another anti-gunner to sow discord. That's when I went ahead and cut to the chase by calling a pigs ass pork......

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23 Feb 2015, 2:37 am

Well if nobody knows what this topic is about, and it's only creating havoc, maybe it ought to be closed.

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23 Feb 2015, 2:42 am

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Well if nobody knows what this topic is about, and it's only creating havoc, maybe it ought to be closed.

Well, I'm willing to place nice if others are.

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23 Feb 2015, 3:29 am

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Well if nobody knows what this topic is about, and it's only creating havoc, maybe it ought to be closed.

Eh, this is what you call a systemic problem, in that very few people on WP actually know anything about guns, which doesn't stop them from holding strong opinions on them, so the handful of us who do know have to fight half the forum every time the subject comes up, feelings get hurt, grudges are held, etc, and you're going see that happen every time whether you lock individual topics or not. Now, it's not usually this bad, I mean we had a crazy and since departed person making physical threats to set the tone, but overall it's not as bad as the average feminism thread or news story with racial overtones, or, god help us, an animal abuse story, but it's always going to be heated, that's just the nature of the beast.

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23 Feb 2015, 10:33 am

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Booyakasha wrote:

Well if nobody knows what this topic is about, and it's only creating havoc, maybe it ought to be closed.

Someone had made physical threats against other members?

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23 Feb 2015, 11:44 am

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Dox47 wrote:

Booyakasha wrote:

Well if nobody knows what this topic is about, and it's only creating havoc, maybe it ought to be closed.

Someone had made physical threats against other members?

well, persimonpudding threatened to cut raptor's throat in this very thread, if that's what he's referring to.

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23 Feb 2015, 12:30 pm

My father collects guns for almost a century...

After coming to this website and reading

these so-called gun threads..

I no longer like guns.

IN FaCT.. I think I hate them NOW.

IN fact.. I know I hate them.. know now.

Thanks for changing my mind 'GUN folks'..

But I still LOVE 'Gunsmoke'...

Unless I note someone being personally attacked..

I will NOT be back to comment in these kinda threads..

And I look forward to the day wHere the Avatar function thingy

gets fixed so I can get that nasty thing off my shoulder even if it

only shoots BB's..

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23 Feb 2015, 1:05 pm

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well, persimonpudding threatened to cut raptor's throat in this very thread, if that's what he's referring to.

Yup, and that's not even Raptor's first rodeo in that respect, I seem to recall an enraged liberal wanting to stab him in the eye one time, then there was that guy that hoped any children he had would die, because dead children were preferable to conservative children... He's just a people pleaser, that Raptor, brings out the best in everyone. :lol:

It is funny though that it's us gun guys that always seem to be on the receiving end of the threats, seeing as how we're so often portrayed on here.

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23 Feb 2015, 1:31 pm

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I think we could all agree that this one takes first prize, though:
http://dev.wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=204727&start=45

WilliamWDelaney wrote:

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For a while there you had become civil and rational but I see that period in time has passed.
:roll:

I would love to take away your guns. I would love to strap you to a fat tree trunk, with a corn cob shoved up your butt halfway and your eye-lids stapled open, and force you to watch while I destroyed every gun you have. Nothing in the world would so fill me with joy. Not because I think it's dangerous for people to have guns but because I find you and most of the NRA gun freaks I have ever encountered to be incredibly offensive.

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23 Feb 2015, 2:24 pm

Dox47 wrote:

Booyakasha wrote:

well, persimonpudding threatened to cut raptor's throat in this very thread, if that's what he's referring to.

It is funny though that it's us gun guys that always seem to be on the receiving end of the threats, seeing as how we're so often portrayed on here.

Wow, yeah, I can see

People pleaser to the maximum :jester:

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I think we could all agree that this one takes first prize, though:

http://dev.wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=204727&start=45

WilliamWDelaney wrote:

Raptor wrote:

For a while there you had become civil and rational but I see that period in time has passed.
:roll:

Lool congrats to the happy winner

I'm sure he'll be extremely happy with the results of the voting.

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23 Feb 2015, 2:33 pm

Dox47 wrote:

Booyakasha wrote:

Well if nobody knows what this topic is about, and it's only creating havoc, maybe it ought to be closed.

I'm a bit surprised and amused by how the thread had turned out, I'm not on WP so often, so I don't notice some of the topics. Gun control is not something that I have much interest in, and when you read or hear arguments about the pro and cons, you tend to agree or disagree, even without examine things further.

One thing that I actually agree with Cenk (the guy from the young turks) is that 'Guns Make Killing a Lot Easier', regarldess of anything (without entering into the pros and cons of gun control and so on) just that that is a given.

And his conclusion of the high probability that the victims would still be alive if the killer didn't carry a gun sounds reasonable, based on the data we got from the media, even though the media tends to bend the truth.

Yeah, I may be a bit bias, I personally dislike guns but I know I can't do anything with that, but I can conclude that: even though people kill people, there are tools that make the task easier.

And that is the only thing I was and am point out in this thread, which obviously causes discussion which that is the point. But frankly, didn't expect this, which is an amusing surprise.

PS: At the end of the clip, it says: "Send this video to a conservative" yeah well, as amused as that was, I decided to post it in here.

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23 Feb 2015, 3:30 pm

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Booyakasha wrote:

well, persimonpudding threatened to cut raptor's throat in this very thread, if that's what he's referring to.

It is funny though that it's us gun guys that always seem to be on the receiving end of the threats, seeing as how we're so often portrayed on here.

Well, I have never threatened you, Raptor, or anyone. But I myself was once sent an email by a disgruntled NT who has since been banished, in which was contained a link to a very bloody, disgusting site of murders and war crimes, seemingly to punish me for some perceived slight. Another member, who I was having a heated discussion with about the alleged guilt of Trayvon Martin, said he hoped I would get my head smashed against a curb. As he was the traumatized victim of a mugging, I didn't pursue the matter with the moderators.

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23 Feb 2015, 4:43 pm

You're statistically more likely to be killed by a policeman than a licensed gun owner. In my home country, only 4% of all homicides are carried out with guns—even though there are just as many households with guns per capita here as in the US.

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23 Feb 2015, 4:50 pm

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Jacoby wrote:

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Well... Regardless of anything, it's true that they would be alive if the guy didn't carry a gun.

You can't know that

He could have stabbed them with a knife, bludgeoned them with a cricket bat, or run over them with his car.

Or gassed them, or poisoned them, or made false reports to DHS, or whatever else he could cook up.

If, on the other hand, one of those (presumedly) decent, law-abiding Muslims had ALSO been in possession of a firearm...

See, the funny thing is, people who want to go on a killing spree NO LONGER GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE LAW.

Personally, I sort of treasure my right to meet them with equal force if necessary.

I really, really, really hope I never have to USE that right, because I'd probably be in therapy (if not prison) for life thereafter. I don't think I could kill someone who was pointing a gun at my kid without spending the rest of my life agonizing over who they were, what was running through their head, why they did that, and whether the situation could have been defused differently if only I had better social skills. Notwithstanding, I sort of treasure my right to meet them with equal force if they happen to target me and mine.

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23 Feb 2015, 8:24 pm

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I've gotten some pretty weird PMs here over the years myself, including some pretty creepy ones with sexual overtones from someone who turned out to live fairly near me who had been sniffing around the AS social group I help run; kinda makes the guns seem prudent, right?

I do think it's worth mentioning that projection does seem to be a pretty common motivation for anti-gun people; they can imagine themselves losing their tempers and doing terrible things with a gun, they assume everyone else is just like them, and since they don't trust themselves with firearms, they don't trust anyone else either. It's pretty anecdotal, but within the microcosm of WP, I think it's fairly significant that the threats and macho posturing all do seem to originate on the anti gun side of things, kind of bears the projection theory out.

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