What Makes People Vote Republican?

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@ TheBicyclingGuitarist
You're confusing their style with lying. Rush likes to be as in your face as possible, that's just how he does his show. Glenn Beck likes to be a comedian a lot, which he needs to get through his head that people mistake that for him being insane.


Also for the record I happen to know some of the climate scientists aren't actually mad at Beck and Limbaugh. (Did an internship this summer out near DC around the time all this came out) They are mad at the people that tampered with data in the UK, which when the story broke it made all of them look like frauds.

Quite frankly some of the climate scientists need to see if they could get on Beck's show (Beck is more reasonable that Limbaugh), or Bill O'Reilly. And they need to talk things out about what happened, be polite and explain things out as to their line of reasoning as well as their anger over the individuals in the UK playing with the data essentially making everyone's data suspect.

I know their style is flamboyant; that's not what I'm objecting to. That's show biz. I object to Beck recently saying he's never seen a half monkey half person and calling evolution ridiculous, and Limbaugh saying even stupider things about it. That happens to be a subject I do know a helluva lot about because I have studied it intensely for at least the past forty years.

They don't know what they are talking about and are completely wrong on that subject. Beck's comment shows he doesn't have a clue how evolution works. It's funny that what some creationists ask for as "proof" of evolution would, if it were found or observed, actually disprove it! It goes to show that they are basing their opinions on lies, not facts, and Beck and Limbaugh are using the mass media to spread those lies further. Similar examples are Ken "Cat-Dog" Mercer from the Texas school board and Kirk Cameron's and Ray Comfort's "Crocoduck."

It's bad enough that the religious right tries to legislate morality. History shows that doesn't work and usually has the opposite effect. But when they try to legislate REALITY that is so over the top that it blows my mind. It's as stupid as trying to outlaw gravity. While those who do this may think they are helping America, by sabotaging our children's science education it is making America less competitive in the global market and could lead to our country's downfall.

By the way, if Beck wants to see a half monkey half person I nominate Australopithecus afarensis, of which Lucy is the most famous example (although we have found many more fossils of individuals of that species). While that may or may not be a direct ancestor of ours, it is at the very least a cousin to us. There are many characteristics of different parts of those skeletons that are nearly exactly halfway in between apes and humans in structure and function.

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Williams said that the long-term unemployed become damaged beyond repair, he clearly said that, which is why he claimed people had to be cut off. If there's not enough jobs, tough for them. Let them eke out their existence in the dump. I don't care if he is being naive or what not, if he can't think through the implications of what he says he should not have the public megaphone to continue these imbecilic mouthings.

Williams, like right wing filth in general, insists on ignoring the wider economic issues, the existince of for instance the concept of Non-Accelerating Inflation Rate of Unemployment religiously upheld during the Neoliberal Age, that bosses want a Reserve Army of Labour and benefit from unemployment, and puts the onus squarely on the worker no matter what the circumstance, even in this crisis it's always the fault of the worker, and all the punishment must be implemented against the worker. It's shocking to see the monstrous ideas from the American Right. Many are saying that yes, it's fair that the plutocrats who crashed the economy have the right to profit off of the desperation of workers clawing their way for limited jobs, a situation that the plutocracy engineered by design. The American Right simply is Evil!

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No, he does not have the right to the megaphone which is the national media. Freedom of speech applies to standing on a soapbox where he can regale the passers by with his imbecilic mouthings. He has no place on the public airwaves.

How is fox the public air waves?

I think he's confusing Newscorp with Clear Channel. Both are repulsive worldwide media empires who control too much of the media and it's easy to swap one out for the other given that they're both evil.

Colbert.
Stewart.
Olberman.
Maddow.
Ashbrook.

Oh, but wait - those aren't *main stream.* According to you, Faux News is the only 'main stream' channel out there... which makes it somewhat unlikely that 'the main stream media' will take apart Faux news, eh? Perfect example of circular reasoning... Colbert is still funnier than you, I'm afraid.

It is. The electromagnetic specturm belongs to the government. They are public airwaves. That's called sovereignty. Cable should be similarly treated.

bullshat, the government isn't allowed censorship of that nature in regards to television or radio communications. nor should it be. and your notion that the spectrum belongs to the united states government because of their regulatory powers is ridiculous. on a slightly unrelated note are you an American or a Canuck?

You know, LKL and xenon13 both just proved Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, etc. to be right again.

I can see what you mean by Xenon but I'm not sure what your talking about with LKL

His Fox New witchhunt.

Seriously, if Fox News really was what he says it is, they wouldn't be beating all their competition into the ground.

Fox News is entertainment. Reality TV is wildly popular too. There's just no accounting for taste.

The trying to be entertaining at the same time is the style they use to attract viewers. However, other news stations have tried to copy that style of reporting (MSNBC) and they are still getting beaten into the ground by Fox News.

You can spin Fox's success either way, one could easily claim that since the majority of the mainstream media is claimed by many on the Right to be Left biased (I posit in another thread that it's actually Statist biased) that the lone Right leaning channel would be the only choice by default of anyone leaning Right. MSNBC would therefore be the choice of only the furthest Left, while Fox by default gets the entire Right as their viewers and the entire Right is a sizable bloc of viewers. Or you could spin that Fox is simply a superior product based on their stellar ratings and the enormous influence they wield, or go somewhere completely different with it. Personally I don't watch any TV news anymore and multi-source any story that interests me, so I don't pay that much attention to who's worse than who as far as the networks go. The few times I have seen a Fox broadcast they struck me less as biased and more as bush league.

Fox News usually clobbers CNN and MSNBC combined. So it is more than just the left viewership being split.