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What is the primary reason for disapproval of homosexuality?
Religion 36%  36%  [ 40 ]
Fear that homosexuals will be attracted to YOU 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Fear of disintegrating gender roles 10%  10%  [ 11 ]
Male fear of gay anal rape 5%  5%  [ 5 ]
Homosexual intercourse cannot produce children 4%  4%  [ 4 ]
It just icks people out 18%  18%  [ 20 ]
It defies social norms 10%  10%  [ 11 ]
Other (please explain below) 15%  15%  [ 16 ]
Total votes : 110

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10 Jan 2012, 9:38 am

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Every one of these 'scientists' would also say that there are some fairly significant differences between us and the rest.


In the urogenital system?


Sorry, I didn't have time to properly respond in the morning.

First, I think I got a bit off track with where I was taking the argument. I doubt the human reproductive system is unique among mammals. I will say that not every creature will have the same or similar reproductive system or urogenital or whatever. In any case I don't think it's relevant.

Going back to one of my first comments I said "comparisons to animals don't work. Most people think they are better or above animals." Now what I meant by this was that the argument that 'animals do it' won't be enough to convince many people. Oodain replied with "most people are wrong... thinking they are different won't make it so". To my original statement this is irrelevant, since I was dealing directly with people's perceptions of the issue.

Later I responded with "animals are very different from humans. thinking they aren't won't make it so". You responded with "the genitalia still work in the same way". Eventually things were narrowed down to mammals and it's true that many of them (possibly all, I'm no expert) share similarities in their systems. Nonetheless there are still differences among them, the way they work, the stimulation involved etc.

I don't know what I was thinking before when I responded to you since it wasn't particularly relevant to what I was talking about. And it got off-track.



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10 Jan 2012, 9:40 am

People like getting their nose into things that are none of their f*****g business.



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10 Jan 2012, 9:40 am

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People like getting their nose into things that are none of their f***ing business.


Yes. But people are allowed to dislike it if they want to.



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10 Jan 2012, 9:43 am

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:

Every one of these 'scientists' would also say that there are some fairly significant differences between us and the rest.


Yes. We make up stories out of whole cloth. And we also blush - we have good reason to.

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10 Jan 2012, 9:48 am

OK, but isn't dislike of another human being something personal? There shouldn't be legalisations based on dislike against homosexuality. If people kept it to themselves, there wouldn't be a societal problem with homosexuality. Once people confirm each other's biases in real life, gay people get harassed for something which affects their lives, but not their oppressors', unless they are gay in denial or self-hating gays.



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10 Jan 2012, 9:49 am

ruveyn wrote:
The_Perfect_Storm wrote:

Every one of these 'scientists' would also say that there are some fairly significant differences between us and the rest.


Yes. We make up stories out of whole cloth. And we also blush - we have good reason to.

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What is that supposed to mean? (Are you a vegetarian?)



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10 Jan 2012, 9:53 am

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OK, but isn't dislike of another human being something personal? There shouldn't be legalisations based on dislike against homosexuality. If people kept it to themselves, there wouldn't be a societal problem with homosexuality. Once people confirm each other's biases in real life, gay people get harassed for something which affects their lives, but not their oppressors', unless they are gay in denial or self-hating gays.


People can dislike whatever they want. The government should not discriminate.



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10 Jan 2012, 11:11 am

ruveyn wrote:
The_Perfect_Storm wrote:

Every one of these 'scientists' would also say that there are some fairly significant differences between us and the rest.


Yes. We make up stories out of whole cloth. And we also blush - we have good reason to.

ruveyn


Come to think of it, I've never seen a black person blush, at least to the extent that a person of Northern European descent is capable. Maybe it is subspecies specific?



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10 Jan 2012, 11:15 am

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
Bun wrote:
OK, but isn't dislike of another human being something personal? There shouldn't be legalisations based on dislike against homosexuality. If people kept it to themselves, there wouldn't be a societal problem with homosexuality. Once people confirm each other's biases in real life, gay people get harassed for something which affects their lives, but not their oppressors', unless they are gay in denial or self-hating gays.


People can dislike whatever they want. The government should not discriminate.

Yeah, I agree.



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10 Jan 2012, 9:07 pm

Some people who disapprove have probably never tried it, while others say they disapprove publicly while they carry on in private.



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10 Jan 2012, 9:11 pm

Or maybe they had had a non-consensual experience in their past.



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10 Jan 2012, 9:26 pm

I think that most civilized people disapprove of rape.



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10 Jan 2012, 9:34 pm

Yeah, just saying, they might be afraid of people who *may* be attracted to them after it had happened.



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10 Jan 2012, 10:26 pm

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Yeah, just saying, they might be afraid of people who *may* be attracted to them after it had happened.


well, then like a raped woman, they need to come to grips with the reality that rapists are in the minority.



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10 Jan 2012, 10:45 pm

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Yeah, just saying, they might be afraid of people who *may* be attracted to them after it had happened.


well, then like a raped woman, they need to come to grips with the reality that rapists are in the minority.


I don't think rape victims can just 'come to grips'.



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10 Jan 2012, 11:09 pm

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
Bun wrote:
Yeah, just saying, they might be afraid of people who *may* be attracted to them after it had happened.


well, then like a raped woman, they need to come to grips with the reality that rapists are in the minority.


I don't think rape victims can just 'come to grips'.


I propose that the majority of them do.