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donnie_darko
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10 Mar 2012, 6:02 am

Women seem somewhat under-represented at Occupy Portland. I'm not really sure why exactly, they are more than welcome there, there's a strong concern that women are oppressed there (which I don't really see much evidence of tbh). I would say unfortunately, only about 1/3 of the occupiers are women. Maybe they have more responsibilities with their social life? I don't know. I mean there are a lot of unemployed men, such as me, who have a lot of time on their hands, most women seem like they are constantly busy with something.



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10 Mar 2012, 4:13 pm

The impression many women have of the occupy movement is that they are 'welcome' as eye-candy ('hot chicks of OWS') and accessories to men, less welcome as leaders and participants. A lot of men at the larger Occupy movements have overly-free hands that they deploy under the guise of 'friendliness' and then call women over-sensitive when they protest being groped by complete strangers. In addition, the OWS leadership councils seem to have a policy of down-playing sexual harassment and sexual assault, and there's a culture of silence and discouraging women from going to the police for help.
http://www.verumserum.com/?p=31075
http://infrontandcenter.wordpress.com/2 ... afe-space/
http://crayfisher.wordpress.com/2011/10 ... -protests/

While most of the incidents I know about happened last fall, the word has sort of gone out in feminist circles that if you go to OWS, you're going to have to expend a *lot* of time and energy protecting your physical body and a lot of time and energy dealing with casual, ignorant sexism from men who think that sexism is something that, by definition, only happens if the perpetrator is a Republican.
A lot of women just don't have the energy to deal with that.



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10 Mar 2012, 4:29 pm

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I agree with feminists about the equal pay right, but I think they are wrong that women are disadvantaged. Women can use sex apeal to sway men to give them higher standing than men. They just shouldn't let themselves become victims of their own worrying mentality and go on with their life, seeking fairness where it does not exist.


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10 Mar 2012, 4:36 pm

It seem to me that the feminist mvt has become dramatically weaker and less visible over time. I remember when it was always in the press.

I believe that women and men are equal. There is no task that a woman cannot do if she has the aptitude.



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10 Mar 2012, 4:45 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
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I agree with feminists about the equal pay right, but I think they are wrong that women are disadvantaged. Women can use sex apeal to sway men to give them higher standing than men. They just shouldn't let themselves become victims of their own worrying mentality and go on with their life, seeking fairness where it does not exist.


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10 Mar 2012, 6:09 pm

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The impression many women have of the occupy movement is that they are 'welcome' as eye-candy ('hot chicks of OWS') and accessories to men, less welcome as leaders and participants. A lot of men at the larger Occupy movements have overly-free hands that they deploy under the guise of 'friendliness' and then call women over-sensitive when they protest being groped by complete strangers. In addition, the OWS leadership councils seem to have a policy of down-playing sexual harassment and sexual assault, and there's a culture of silence and discouraging women from going to the police for help.
http://www.verumserum.com/?p=31075
http://infrontandcenter.wordpress.com/2 ... afe-space/
http://crayfisher.wordpress.com/2011/10 ... -protests/

While most of the incidents I know about happened last fall, the word has sort of gone out in feminist circles that if you go to OWS, you're going to have to expend a *lot* of time and energy protecting your physical body and a lot of time and energy dealing with casual, ignorant sexism from men who think that sexism is something that, by definition, only happens if the perpetrator is a Republican.
A lot of women just don't have the energy to deal with that.


Have you actually participated in Occupy before?



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11 Mar 2012, 12:28 am

donnie_darko wrote:
LKL wrote:
The impression many women have of the occupy movement is that they are 'welcome' as eye-candy ('hot chicks of OWS') and accessories to men, less welcome as leaders and participants. A lot of men at the larger Occupy movements have overly-free hands that they deploy under the guise of 'friendliness' and then call women over-sensitive when they protest being groped by complete strangers. In addition, the OWS leadership councils seem to have a policy of down-playing sexual harassment and sexual assault, and there's a culture of silence and discouraging women from going to the police for help.
http://www.verumserum.com/?p=31075
http://infrontandcenter.wordpress.com/2 ... afe-space/
http://crayfisher.wordpress.com/2011/10 ... -protests/

While most of the incidents I know about happened last fall, the word has sort of gone out in feminist circles that if you go to OWS, you're going to have to expend a *lot* of time and energy protecting your physical body and a lot of time and energy dealing with casual, ignorant sexism from men who think that sexism is something that, by definition, only happens if the perpetrator is a Republican.
A lot of women just don't have the energy to deal with that.


Have you actually participated in Occupy before?

No interest in being harassed or groped, so I've only gone and chatted with the local (itty-bitty, <10 people) groups. There was a sexual assault at the Portland OWS, and the leaders/organizers/board/committee/whatever-you-care-to-call-them had the accused perp skedaddle before they reported it to the police. Way to show support for the victim, eh?



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11 Mar 2012, 2:35 am

just a general reminder to folks that we need to keep this discussion civil and not throw any name-calling around. i've had to remove posts on this thread from both anti-feminist and pro-feminist members. i'd like to continue to keep the thread unlocked, so please keep it calm and reasonable. thank you.


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11 Mar 2012, 12:42 pm

also, sockpuppet post was removed.


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11 Mar 2012, 2:40 pm

LKL wrote:
donnie_darko wrote:
LKL wrote:
The impression many women have of the occupy movement is that they are 'welcome' as eye-candy ('hot chicks of OWS') and accessories to men, less welcome as leaders and participants. A lot of men at the larger Occupy movements have overly-free hands that they deploy under the guise of 'friendliness' and then call women over-sensitive when they protest being groped by complete strangers. In addition, the OWS leadership councils seem to have a policy of down-playing sexual harassment and sexual assault, and there's a culture of silence and discouraging women from going to the police for help.
http://www.verumserum.com/?p=31075
http://infrontandcenter.wordpress.com/2 ... afe-space/
http://crayfisher.wordpress.com/2011/10 ... -protests/

While most of the incidents I know about happened last fall, the word has sort of gone out in feminist circles that if you go to OWS, you're going to have to expend a *lot* of time and energy protecting your physical body and a lot of time and energy dealing with casual, ignorant sexism from men who think that sexism is something that, by definition, only happens if the perpetrator is a Republican.
A lot of women just don't have the energy to deal with that.






Have you actually participated in Occupy before?

No interest in being harassed or groped, so I've only gone and chatted with the local (itty-bitty, <10 people) groups. There was a sexual assault at the Portland OWS, and the leaders/organizers/board/committee/whatever-you-care-to-call-them had the accused perp skedaddle before they reported it to the police. Way to show support for the victim, eh?





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11 Mar 2012, 9:18 pm

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No interest in being harassed or groped, so I've only gone and chatted with the local (itty-bitty, <10 people) groups. There was a sexual assault at the Portland OWS, and the leaders/organizers/board/committee/whatever-you-care-to-call-them had the accused perp skedaddle before they reported it to the police. Way to show support for the victim, eh?


Interesting, I'll have to fact check with the people I know there.



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11 Mar 2012, 9:47 pm

why don't you try googling it instead of looking for anecdotal evidence?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/sexual-assault ... 11jk9Ws_xc


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12 Mar 2012, 3:39 am

hyperlexian wrote:
why don't you try googling it instead of looking for anecdotal evidence?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/sexual-assault ... 11jk9Ws_xc


There are thousands and thousands of occupiers and only a few cases of rape (a few too many, that is, but still). Sexual assault can happen anywhere, it's not like an epidemic in the camps or anything. The media will highlight anything that makes the movement look bad, the corporations own the media.



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12 Mar 2012, 11:24 am

I do agree in essence that women need to stand up for themselves. What I dislike are the extremes, the so-called "feminazis" but also the male extreme of machism (for which I don't have a word). =/



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12 Mar 2012, 2:23 pm

donnie_darko wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
why don't you try googling it instead of looking for anecdotal evidence?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/sexual-assault ... 11jk9Ws_xc


There are thousands and thousands of occupiers and only a few cases of rape (a few too many, that is, but still). Sexual assault can happen anywhere, it's not like an epidemic in the camps or anything. The media will highlight anything that makes the movement look bad, the corporations own the media.

rape is not that likely to happen at any random moment in public. for example, a woman can go camping in mixed company for weeks or months and can reasonably expect that no sexual assault will happen.

you do not know if it is an epidemic unless you can find some sort of statistic that shows it is equally likely for sexual assault to happen in other social situations. right now, you're just making stuff up.


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12 Mar 2012, 4:05 pm

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I do agree in essence that women need to stand up for themselves. What I dislike are the extremes, the so-called "feminazis" but also the male extreme of machism (for which I don't have a word). =/
You may as well say that you don't like werewolves and their agenda to turn everyone into a werewolf.


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