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Better to err on the side of caution. Naturally, most Americans were fearful of Muslims and foreigners after 9/11 so naturally there will be a counter-revolt against. It is only natural. It is about balance. One must strike a knife in the heart of a ghost at times.

I knew a Muslim in highschool. He was pretty cool.

I knew a Muslim in high school. He hated Jews.

ruveyn

I know a former Mennonite who had married into Lutheranism who, despite having almost the same economic and political ideals as yours, is a raging Antisemite and Holocaust denier. I have to think, though, that not all Mennonites have this guy's idiotic notions.
And thus, not every Muslim American is a Jew hater like your "friend."

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Not everyone has swallowed the convenient story about the invasion of Iraq being un-provoked. We should have waited for Iraq to actually use their WMD's and use that for justification to invade.


Uh huh...........


Two "events" that occurred at the WTC in 1993 and 2001, especially the one in 2001.
Bombing of the USMC and French Airborne barracks in Beirut in 1983.
USS Cole in Yemen in 2000.
US military quarters in Dhahran in 1996.
There's a few but do you need more examples of Islamic handiwork? That's what I find "disturbing".


You just admitted that they are backwards.


Apparently a lot of them, especially in the Arab world, think we are expendable and backwards, hence the attacks they are so bent on. Thankfully we have a military, no thanks to the American left, to provide us with some safeguarding whether you appreciate it or not. And since I know you or one of yours is going to accuse it; yes, sometimes that safeguarding means taking off the gloves and getting mean.


If declaring war on them is what it takes then YES. They've pretty much done that to us doncha think? Interment camps for American Muslims would be a violation of their rights as Americans so, no, I would never advocate that unless they as a whole became an obvious threat to society and/or national security and I doubt they would. On the other hand, the ones who are not American citizens, certain cases being exceptions, I would have no reservations about containing them to await deportation, period.


As it stands we (including ME) are much more tolerant of them than they are of us. They NEVER will accept us so I won't wait on what's not going to happen. The fact that this is not crystal clear to you is whats disturbing.

Next......

You can name off Middle Eastern terrorist attacks all you want, but that doesn't indict all Muslims.
And as far as Iraq having WMD's is concerned, this charge only came about because the alleged connection between Saddam and Bin Laden was thoroughly proven to be false. In this case, the WMD charge just looks like what it is - a standby pretext for an overeager administration to declare war.
And incidentally, while awaiting trial, Saddam Hussein had been asked by the Arab American FBI agent assigned to him if he (Saddam) had had any WMD's. Saddam answered, no, but he would have built them again had he had the chance. Straight from the horses mouth. This particular agent believed he was telling the truth.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Of course not. The other Muslims are too busy looking in the other direction.

Question: If one of these "moderate" Muslims hears about a plot to do damage, will they phone the police or the FBI? I am not certain they would. And their young male sons. With their youthful hormones raging and their youthful idealism. How many of them are susceptable to the Jihadi Imam at the local mosque? And the converts? Ah yes, the converts. Remember John Walker? I haven't forgotten. And the Muslim officer who shot up has regiment? I suppose that doesn't indict anyone either.

ruveyn

Do abortion clinic bombers indict all Christians?

Only the hot for Jesus fundies.

However sane Christians will turn in clinic bombers to the police if they know about.

I am not as sure the moderate Muslims would do the same.

ruveyn

And you know this for sure, how?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I've already done my research on the Iraq/WMD issue and came to my conclusions. Those conclusions my not be in vogue at the time but they are still accurate none the less and to me historical facts, period.

Very little is known "for sure". As I said I have my doubts.

I think it was the lack of the Million American Muslim March Against Terrorism that left me less than certain. Perhaps there was such a march, and perhaps I missed it. I heard very little (if any) condemnation of the outrage of 9/11 from the American Muslim Community and on that day there were several New York Cab drivers of Jordanian and Lebanese persuasion doing a happy dance in Manhattan. When I read about that I get rather annoyed (to put it mildly). A lot of the cabbies in New York City are from the middle east.

Then there was Hasan Akbar who was in the army and took an oath and he shot up his mates. That was in 2003. He was upset about the U.S. going into Iraq (poor baby). Then there was the Jihadi who shot up the CIA. How many more like that?

The 1993 attack against the WTC, the one that didn't bring them down was hatched in Newark New Jersey, not in Mecca or Cairo. I hope you can see there is a basis for my unease. Even so, I would protest any illegal action taken against American Muslims. Why? Because first it will be against Muslims. The Jews are next. For my own sake I would oppose and publicly protest any wrongful act taken against American Muslims just because they are Muslims. But they still give me the creeps. I don't trust them.

ruveyn

Admittedly, I had never heard about those dicks doing a happy dance on 9/11. Maybe those individuals would like to return to their countries of origin. I do know about those other two jackasses who had committed act of violence in the name of their religion. Luckily, that doesn't mean all Muslim Americans are of that fiber.
At least you have conceded it's wrong to take any action against Muslim Americans as a group, and that's a start.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

There was a time when Christians punished heretics with the death penalty. Cultures do change. I sense this thinly veiled attitude that after 9/11, people of your political persuasion would have blindly supported any attack on any country that happened to be Muslim, whether or not there was any evidence whatsoever of an actual connection. You just couldn't be placated until some Muslim blood was spilled. They kill "us" in our country, we kill "them" in theirs, right? That's EXACTLY how Jihadists think and justify terrorism. You are no f*****g better. If you were born "over there" and indoctrinated as an Islamist you would probably be a f*****g jihadist yourself. I can almost guarantee it. It's the exact same exact f*****g mentality. Vengeance.

In other words, facts don't matter to you. The facts are molded as needed to support the need for blood and the restoring of national honor through war. We were attacked on 9/11 and by god it was them towel-heads who done it! We now need to beat our chest and restore our honer by bombing the s**t out of the most convenient towel-head dictator available!

Hey now, I take offense to this - neither Raptor nor Jihadists have anywhere near the style and class required to actually commit an act of vengeance, and must instead settle for petty revenge like a street thug might. I do vengeance. They do reactionary war-mongering.

Lots of F-bombs, false accusations, and what you and a few others would call "attacks" if they were aimed at you. Do you feel better now?
And there's nothing for me to thinly or thickly veil, sport. Things are what they are and more people are starting to see things for what they are, not what they should be.
If I had been born over there maybe I would be a jihadist. I’d rather be a jihadist any day than like some sniveling liberal whiners I’ve had to deal with and I’m naming anyone.



Your facts or mine? There seems to be two kinds of facts on just about anything, depending.
More rantings after that but now you go as far as racial slurs against Arabs with the "towel head" comment that I DID NOT say in anything I wrote.

BTW, it’s spelled honor.