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Should Prostitution be Legal?
I'm male, and I say "Yay!" 66%  66%  [ 103 ]
I'm male, and I say "Neigh!" 14%  14%  [ 22 ]
I'm female, and I say "Yes" 15%  15%  [ 23 ]
I'm female, and I say "No" 5%  5%  [ 7 ]
Total votes : 155

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03 Feb 2013, 12:29 am

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I know.

I think most aspie men who say that women automatically don't like them haven't tried being themselves enough. They just think that women won't like their true selves and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. I felt that way myself for years, but now I wouldn't try to alter my personality for anyone and I have more fun that way.

I'm not an aspie man, so I could be wrong. My 'natural' self is definitely odd and awkward, but people (including women) are still attracted to me, moreso when I'm not faking anything. The aspie men I've talked to that are successful in relationships (they exist) are all good at being themselves.


Right, I'll make sure to say this calmly instead, I can have a bit of a harsh reaction when people call it "easy" cause for my entire life it's never been anything close to that. I'm a scientist, this means I'm also an empiricist. I've spent the past year trying out various permutations of my personality in order to figure out which ones seem to have the most success.

Unfortunately, my "base" personality, me acting entirely without trying to modify myself, has some of the worst success. It's just how it is. Not all of us were born with personalities that the majority of the opposite sex finds appealing, and I dare say that "odd and awkward" works against males far worse. I could be wrong too...but all of my personal anecdotes and the opinions of countless others seem to back this sentiment.


You don't need to be attractive to the majority of the opposite sex (or in some cases, the same sex). Just enough to meet your desire for whatever number of sexual partners you want (which varies by person).

You would have to be hornier than Genghis Khan to need the majority of women to be attracted to you,



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03 Feb 2013, 12:38 am

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You don't need to be attractive to the majority of the opposite sex (or in some cases, the same sex). Just enough to meet your desire for whatever number of sexual partners you want (which varies by person).

You would have to be hornier than Genghis Khan to need the majority of women to be attracted to you,


I'd honestly be happy with 1 for the rest of time. However, cutting out the majority of women also cuts out the majority of women you'd WANT to spend that "rest of time" with. Life often feels like I'm stuck between a choice of "be yourself, and face the harrowing reality that you might die alone" or "learn to wear a mask, and at least ensure you get something".



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03 Feb 2013, 12:42 am

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You don't need to be attractive to the majority of the opposite sex (or in some cases, the same sex). Just enough to meet your desire for whatever number of sexual partners you want (which varies by person).

You would have to be hornier than Genghis Khan to need the majority of women to be attracted to you,


I'd honestly be happy with 1 for the rest of time. However, cutting out the majority of women also cuts out the majority of women you'd WANT to spend that "rest of time" with. Life often feels like I'm stuck between a choice of "be yourself, and face the harrowing reality that you might die alone" or "learn to wear a mask, and at least ensure you get something".


IMHO, wearing a mask isn't worth it. She wouldn't really like you, but the person you were pretending to be. I would find that even more lonely than being alone, but that's me.



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03 Feb 2013, 2:26 am

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I'd just like to see some evidence that being stimulated by another person is needed, not wanted.

Okay, hide behind that.


Hide behind what?

The demand for proof before continuing the conversation.


I'm not hiding behind that. It's a genuine request that I'm making. If people make assertions (like you did), then other people tend to ask for them to be backed up. It is the nature of debate.

How about an aspie poll?


Opinions don't make facts. The opinions of a bunch of aspie males on a debate forum is not sufficient proof that men need sex.

Posturing yourself as an authority on the subject carries no weight when you are not even capable of accepting the truth when you hear it.



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03 Feb 2013, 2:30 am

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Posturing yourself as an authority on the subject carries no weight when you are not even capable of accepting the truth when you hear it.


I am no authority and neither are you.

I'll accept what you say as truth when you provide some kind of proof. If you have none, then I'm under no obligation to believe your assertion.



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03 Feb 2013, 2:31 am

ripped wrote:
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ripped wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
ripped wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
ripped wrote:
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I'd just like to see some evidence that being stimulated by another person is needed, not wanted.

Okay, hide behind that.


Hide behind what?

The demand for proof before continuing the conversation.


I'm not hiding behind that. It's a genuine request that I'm making. If people make assertions (like you did), then other people tend to ask for them to be backed up. It is the nature of debate.

How about an aspie poll?


Opinions don't make facts. The opinions of a bunch of aspie males on a debate forum is not sufficient proof that men need sex.

Posturing yourself as an authority on the subject carries no weight when you are not even capable of accepting the truth when you hear it.


are you going to provide some evidence or just continue to blather on.



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03 Feb 2013, 2:53 am

Sure. It's just paying money for sex. It's a registered practice here (so legal with the right paperwork).

(Not that I'd ever use such; well, perhaps if I was offered a million dollars or so. Nah, screw that. Not a fan of going where thousands of others have been.)



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03 Feb 2013, 4:22 am

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None of the people with AS that I've ever known have ever come close to finding it easy to get laid. If I'm generalizing here, it's because all of my data points point to one conclusion, not to mention lots of scientific evidence making it abundantly clear that the vast majority of Aspers have trouble socializing, which generally leads directly into trouble wooing the opposite sex.


How many Aspies do you personally know? I run a support group with 450+ members, of which I'm personally acquainted with about 200, so my sample size is in all likelihood a bit larger than yours.


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03 Feb 2013, 4:54 am

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None of the people with AS that I've ever known have ever come close to finding it easy to get laid. If I'm generalizing here, it's because all of my data points point to one conclusion, not to mention lots of scientific evidence making it abundantly clear that the vast majority of Aspers have trouble socializing, which generally leads directly into trouble wooing the opposite sex.


How many Aspies do you personally know? I run a support group with 450+ members, of which I'm personally acquainted with about 200, so my sample size is in all likelihood a bit larger than yours.


Much bigger than mine. I'd wager I've come across maybe 50.

Tell me, what are these other guys doing that works so damn well? You sure these aren't Aspers that simply lack many of the social "impairments" some of us others have? I've HEARD of Aspers that have lots of AS quirks but have little "social impairment", although I've never actually seen one before.

[edit] Also, these guys aren't just...well, no way to put this nicely. Are they scraping the bottom of the barrel? Have you personally seen them with any women?



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03 Feb 2013, 4:59 am

Wouldn't be hard for me to get a chick in bed (not my thing though).

Now, keeping a relationship going long-term..., not a chance.

Not exactly mild, though nowhere near severe over here.



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03 Feb 2013, 9:56 am

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I'd just like to see some evidence that being stimulated by another person is needed, not wanted.


I did some searching. I found an interesting article, which doesn't answer your specific question, but which does discuss differences in sex drive between men and women.

http://www.webmd.com/sex/features/sex-d ... en-compare

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...women place more value on emotional connection as a spark of sexual desire. But women also appear to be heavily influenced by social and cultural factors as well.

"Sexual desire in women is extremely sensitive to environment and context," says Edward O. Laumann, PhD, a professor of sociology at the University of Chicago and lead author of a major survey of sexual practices, The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States.

1. Men think more about sex

...I'm sure that this goes without saying, but some details in the article....

2. Men seek sex more avidly

...similarly goes without saying...we masturbate more than women, and much more likely than women to hire an executive ejaculatory administrator, but one interesting factoid in the article: Nuns do a better job of fulfilling their vows of chastity than priests. Baumeister cites a survey of several hundred clergy by Sheila Murphy in which 62% of priests admitted to sexual activity, compared to 49% of nuns. The men reported more partners on average than the women......naughty, naughty.....

3. Women's sexual inclinations are more complicated than men's.

....Men are very rigid and specific about who they become aroused by, who they want to have sex with, who they fall in love with,"....By contrast, women may be more open to same-sex relationships thanks to their less-directed sex drives, Bailey says. "Women probably have the capacity to become sexually interested in and fall in love with their own sex more than men do," ...Bailey's contention is backed up by studies showing that homosexuality is a more fluid state among women than men. In another broad review of studies, Baumeister found many more lesbians reported recent sex with men, when compared to gay men's reports of sex with women. Women were also more likely than men to call themselves bisexual, and to report their sexual orientation as a matter of choice.

4. Women's sex drives are more influenced by social and cultural factors.

....Men have every incentive to have sex to pass along their genetic material, Laumann says. By contrast, women may be hard-wired to choose their partners carefully, because they are the ones who can get pregnant and wind up taking care of the baby. They are likely to be more attuned to relationship quality because they want a partner who will stay around to take care of the child. They're also more likely to choose a man with resources because of his greater ability to support a child.

5. Women take a less direct route to sexual satisfaction.

Men and women travel slightly different paths to arrive at sexual desire. "I hear women say in my office that desire originates much more between the ears than between the legs...For women there is a need for a plot -- hence the romance novel. It is more about the anticipation, how you get there; it is the longing that is the fuel for desire.....Women's desire is more contextual, more subjective, more layered on a lattice of emotion".....Men, by contrast, don't need to have nearly as much imagination, Perel says, since sex is simpler and more straightforward for them.

....."Women want to talk first, connect first, then have sex....For men, sex is the connection. Sex is the language men use to express their tender loving vulnerable side...It is their language of intimacy."

6. Women experience orgasms differently than men.

Men, on average, take four minutes from the point of entry until ejaculation....Women usually take around 10 to 11 minutes to reach orgasm -- if they do.

7. Women's libidos seem to be less amenable to drugs.

With men's sex drives seemingly more directly tied to biology when compared to women, it may be no surprise that low desire may be more easily treated through medication in men. Men have embraced drugs as a cure not only for erectile dysfunction but also for a shrinking libido. With women, however, the search for a drug to boost sex drive has proved more elusive.....


While the participation of another person is not a specific requirement for an ejaculation, some of us might get a bit testy if reminded of this fact. Women may find the act of coitus itself to be unfulfilling without some attendant emotional connection and drama, whereas the gents are happy to get down to business straightaway.



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03 Feb 2013, 10:23 am

^Well it didn't answer my question, but it was a start.

I already know men and women are different, that's why I prefer sex with one to the other. You've proven that men are more likely to seek prostitutes due to differences in their libido, not that they need them.

Women are more likely to respond to sex toys like vibrators, but we don't need them.



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03 Feb 2013, 11:15 am

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^Well it didn't answer my question, but it was a start.

I already know men and women are different, that's why I prefer sex with one to the other. You've proven that men are more likely to seek prostitutes due to differences in their libido, not that they need them.

Women are more likely to respond to sex toys like vibrators, but we don't need them.


There are a lot of things that we don't need, but use anyway. We don't need spoons--we can just eat our soup with a fork. A spoon is more pleasurable and practical. Similarly, a woman's body when ejaculating, or, for the ladies, a vibrator when masturbating.



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03 Feb 2013, 11:17 am

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^Well it didn't answer my question, but it was a start.

I already know men and women are different, that's why I prefer sex with one to the other. You've proven that men are more likely to seek prostitutes due to differences in their libido, not that they need them.

Women are more likely to respond to sex toys like vibrators, but we don't need them.


There are a lot of things that we don't need, but use anyway. We don't need spoons--we can just eat our soup with a fork. A spoon is more pleasurable and practical. Similarly, a woman's body when ejaculating, or, for the ladies, a vibrator when masturbating.


That's true. The assertion that ripped was making was that it was a need.



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03 Feb 2013, 1:46 pm

Here, one wife poses the question: Is Sex Truly An Absolute Physical Need For Men?

http://www.firstwivesworld.com/communit ... l-need-men

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....My husband has always given me the impression that sex is an utter physiological need for all men. Without regular sex, men have physical pain that is tough to endure. According to what he has told me, men can't control the urge to want to have sex and if they don't get the sex they need they need to masturbate in order to relieve the pressure brought on by lack of sex. One time shortly after my baby was born I accidently walked in on my husband as he was "getting busy" by himself in the shower, and his immediate response was, "I gotta get it somewhere!"

...Because of this apparent physical need, I have always had sex with my husband whenever he expressed a desire to get intimate. During those times when I didn't feel like having sex I still did, because I didn't want to be the person standing between my husband and physical comfort. He needed it and I could give it to him, so it seemed like a logical solution. Nevermind that there have been times when I felt like I was absolutely betraying myself for getting intimate with him...at least I was still performing my wifely duty.

What I have been wondering about lately is this: Have I been duped? Is sex truly an absolute physical need for men? I think about the celibate men in the world, and I wonder if they spend their days in sheer agony from pent-up sexual frustration.

In my days as a single gal there were certainly times when I would think to myself, "Sure would be nice to have some sex right now," but it never was a physical ache. I also recognize, however, that men and women are different and I can't really compare my sexual needs with those of my husbands. I can't help but wonder, though, if my husband's claims are real or if I've fallen for some line men use to make sure their wives give them sex regularly.


Probably in most men's estimation, she is a wonderful wife.

A Feminist wife would just say: "You're not Entitled, Buster!"

A Christian wife is supposed to be perfectly submissive to her husband, which should, in principle, involve genital access on command.

In Thailand, Holland, and some parts of Nevada, if the wife wasn't up for it, then the husband could go and relieve himself at a brothel. No big deal, although in Nevada it would get expensive.

Maine had the infamous Zumba instructor, although in seeking to hire her services one would risk arrest, prosecution, intense embarrassment before our highly prurient newsmedia, and being forever labeled a sex offender.

If you've ever had two dogs, of which one was a younger uncastrated male, then you know that the one dog will spend the whole damned day trying to hump the other dog. The other dog will get no rest at all so long as the younger dog still has his nuts.

Of course, women have vaginas and wombs, and it behooves them to be careful about what enters them.



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03 Feb 2013, 3:26 pm

I'm surprised how many people said yes to this!