Facts about racism

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I will admit I glanced though the wiki page, but it seems not exactly what I said. I think money is the greatest privilege possible. If you have the money you have the power. Even if you are part of an unpopular group if you are rich you have it better.

How is that remotely relevant. You're trying to force someone into a group they've explicitly stated they do not identify with, and doing so in a manner which is consistent with certain types of progressive who believe said group is a bastion of evil.



I'm receptive to arguments that stand up to scrutiny, not arguments that are flippantly disrespectful, fallacious or just downright dishonest.

Being annoyed is the point at which you should engage, not the point at which you should cover your ears and chant "na na na I'm not listening!". Believe it or not, I would be thrilled to learn that you actually have some convincing and coherent arguments to present in support of your opinions. PPR would be a far more productive and 'happening' board if there were more capable debaters, rather than cantankerous bickerers and squabblers.



I take no responsibility for your lack of willingness to stand by your convictions. If the best you can come up with is a flimsy reference to tone, I doubt you'll come back with anything of substance if given a year to respond.

That's not an accusation of wrongdoing, and therefore nothing to feel guilty about.

Reducing people to statistical averages is a necessary way of doing business in a society of more than a few hundred. Of course, we should try to do so in a way which captures as much of the noise as possible, such as by factoring in both race and poverty, and homelessness, and drug use, and unemployment... But that doesn't change that, on average, black senators get stopped by police more often than white senators.


JohnPowell asked for examples of rich black people being arrested for no good reason, and I provided them.

Racism doesn't happen to white people because they're white, not in America. You can't be the victim of racism if your race is perceived positively where you are.

Being opposed to all forms of "hostile bigotry" is commendable, but the way you use it is a shortcoming. Bill isn't fine with racial discrimination against white people. Few people are. However, most people know that not all bigotry is created equal. Some people face a lot more bigotry than others, and so we need to put more effort into fighting that bigotry. In the same way more effort was put into World War II than into the Iraq War; it's relatively easy to beat an underdeveloped state, but much harder to beat a coalition of some of the most advanced nations in the world.

You propose a strict version of equality; Bill proposes something more like equity. You want to treat everyone the same, Bill wants to help everyone solve their problems. And if that isn't actually what you think, then it's most certainly the argument you put forward in most of your posts on the subject.

You can never be too careful with people.

Intersectionality covers everything. I had white male privilege when I went to work in the nursing home in some situations, and in other situations I was discriminated against by virtue of being the only one who was both white and male.

I like the academic arbiters of racism and other bigotry because they make me think about my preconceptions. I don't agree with everything they say; definitely not at first.

I don't expect you to hold your breath, adifferentname, but the volume of things with which you find fault today is too high to look like fun.

I agree that when you get annoyed you should keep debating. In your opinion when is the point you find a debate pointless? adifferentname

Walrus I am curious, are the BLM supporters (the ones who kidnapped that kid not all of them) racist towards white people?
I have seen people in this country who as who associate white with bad, although I do not consider them common.

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Any actual evidence for these claims?

You're touching on social mobility. This article mentions some of the findings of a study into how inherited wealth is still the greatest predictor of success in the UK.

I'm sure by now that most people who don't have institutional access to articles know how to get around the pay wall, but I'm not sure what the site rules are regarding discussion of such for those who do not, so google it if you're interested. Link to the study is: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/wol1/doi ... 12165/full

I agree that social mobility seems to be it. I think that fixing education system is the best way to fix social mobility.

Yes, in the link provided. I recommend reading it.

You'll notice in the case of the Harvard professor, Henry Louis Gates Jr., the department later publicly dropped the charges and Gates and the police officer in question were invited to the White House.

Is that acceptable evidence for you?

It's an accusation of being blind to the other person's subjective beliefs about your personal experiences. Perhaps you don't find that insulting. That's entirely your prerogative. It also implies racial insensitivity - which, in my experience, quickly escalates to outright accusations of racism (there are numerous examples on this board, I've experienced it first hand) - based solely on the nature of skin colour, as well as the explicit statement that you're somehow immune to negative outcomes based on skin colour.



Except that's not how its being used. The statistical averages were directed specifically towards kraftiekortie by way of explaining to him that his experience was irrelevant. Statistical averages have their place, and being used as a bludgeon to tell someone on this board how lucky they are to be white is, in my opinion, not that place. Being white didn't prevent me from suffering all the hardships associated with growing up in one of the poorest housing estates in the UK. Nor was it any bar to those who sought to oppress my Northern Irish forebears.

When you personally witness the reality of the most disenfranchised people in the UK, it predisposes one to take a dim view of anyone claiming bigotry is something that doesn't happen to white people because of the distorting affect of the 1%, among other arbitrary averaging of data.



I'm aware of that. It doesn't alter my response.



Utter drivel. Racism is discrimination, antagonism or prejudice directed against people of other racial, ethnic or national groups. It is a belief or an action undertaken by an individual or a group, and is absolutely not solely practised by those who are the majority ethnicity. The existence of a recent progressive alternative does not override nor replace the extant definition, nor will I do anyone the disservice of assuming they're applying that narrow, contentious definition unless explicitly stated - in which case I shall, naturally, reject it on the grounds that it's racist.



There are significant numbers of Americans of all hues who very much perceive whiteness in a negative light. Likewise, there are numerous Americans who perceive blackness as being a positive. Incidentally, belief that one race is superior to another, even if it is not your own race, is still racism.



Bill has demonstrated racial discrimination against white people, as have you with your assertion that White Americans cannot experience racism. It might not be as extreme as a desire to eradicate all members of a perceived "inferior" race, but it is still discriminatory.

The current upswing of anti-white sentiment is considered a contributory factor to the increase in white nationalism - though it is, of course, not the sole contributory factor.



What Bill effectively proposed is that we should put zero effort into fighting bigotry against white people because he defines it as being impossible. I'm as on board with that as I am with the notion we should cut funding for women's shelters because there are more homeless men. Both issues are deserving of our time, and all individuals who suffer it are deserving of our support.



Appalling metaphor. The wars weren't fought concurrently. If they were, we'd still distribute our resources on both fronts.



No, it isn't. On both counts. Equality doesn't mean treating everyone the same, it means not treating people differently because of arbitrary differences. There's a huge distinction between the two positions. I'm not opposed to providing wheelchair ramps, providing (effective) remedial classes for those who require more assistance, etc. What I oppose are things like tokenism and divisive rhetoric which does literally nothing to alter outcomes, other than to create further tension, and which diminishes individuals to little more than avatars of those aforementioned arbitrary characteristics.



Perhaps, but this isn't the first time I've seen someone raise this point, absent anyone posting anything that suggests they don't understand it. One should also be careful one isn't being patronising, which is a definite possibility when explaining a metaphor to someone with an ASD.



Much as I appreciate healthy scepticism, there are plenty of examples of racism against wealthy blacks (including the link within Walrus' post).

Edit: as he just pointed out

Do you have any physical evidence for the claims though? Not denying them, you just seem to usually be a lot more skeptical, well at least when I've shown you evidence.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/26427 ... greenfield

I never wrote a single thing about guilt concerning all whites, with the exception of law enforcement, or of certain business owners. My point was, whites aren't usually under the same constant suspicion of having done something wrong simply for their skin color. And that's privilege.
And as a matter of fact, black news correspondents have recalled how they've been stopped by the police way too often, and asked pointedly if they had stolen the expensive car they had been driving. While Oprah Winfrey had been turned away from an extremely high end store, where she apparently hadn't been recognized. So yes, wealthy blacks do suffer from the same treatment as poor blacks.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/7274/cops ... nk-berrien

Where's CNN etc????

Any evidence for these claims?