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05 Dec 2010, 5:58 pm

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Fox News usually clobbers CNN and MSNBC combined. So it is more than just the left viewership being split.


Which goes to show how many Americans are being misinformed on political and social issues, which explains some of the stupidity that results. Garbage in, garbage out. It's because they are only listening to what they want to hear, and that source freely mixes opinions with facts, presents opinions AS facts, and doesn't bother to distinguish the two. It is a fine entertainment channel if you go for that sort of thing, but by no means is is "fair and balanced" as they so proudly (and dishonestly) proclaim.


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05 Dec 2010, 6:08 pm

TheBicyclingGuitarist wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Fox News usually clobbers CNN and MSNBC combined. So it is more than just the left viewership being split.


Which goes to show how many Americans are being misinformed on political and social issues, which explains some of the stupidity that results. Garbage in, garbage out. It's because they are only listening to what they want to hear, and that source freely mixes opinions with facts, presents opinions AS facts, and doesn't bother to distinguish the two. It is a fine entertainment channel if you go for that sort of thing, but by no means is is "fair and balanced" as they so proudly (and dishonestly) proclaim.


Are they misinformed or are YOU misinformed?

They have opinions on their shows but they clearly make the point they are opinions. Plus Beck is a commentator, not a reporter it is his job to give his opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lq6OLtltyA&NR=1

Also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGMyeEm4 ... re=related

Sourcing WSJ and Bloomberg

And then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YICGV7Xu ... re=related

Watch it, I know you don't like Beck but try listening with an open mind cause what he is saying in this vid can be backed up.



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05 Dec 2010, 6:46 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
TheBicyclingGuitarist wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Fox News usually clobbers CNN and MSNBC combined. So it is more than just the left viewership being split.


Which goes to show how many Americans are being misinformed on political and social issues, which explains some of the stupidity that results.


Are they misinformed or are YOU misinformed?

They have opinions on their shows but they clearly make the point they are opinions. Plus Beck is a commentator, not a reporter it is his job to give his opinion.


On the specific issue in these videos perhaps Beck is speaking the truth. I'm not saying he is wrong all the time about everything.

Fox News is clearly and obviously a mouthpiece for the right wing. Of course it is good to have voices from both sides, and Fox is necessary to speak the conservative view. But for Fox to claim it presents a balanced view is dishonest, and quite frankly, a lot of "news" reported by Fox is right wing propaganda and outright BS.


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05 Dec 2010, 6:49 pm

TheBicyclingGuitarist wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
TheBicyclingGuitarist wrote:
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Fox News usually clobbers CNN and MSNBC combined. So it is more than just the left viewership being split.


Which goes to show how many Americans are being misinformed on political and social issues, which explains some of the stupidity that results.


Are they misinformed or are YOU misinformed?

They have opinions on their shows but they clearly make the point they are opinions. Plus Beck is a commentator, not a reporter it is his job to give his opinion.


I am talking about when Fox alleges to report NEWS, and that they call themselves Fox NEWS, when they should more honestly call themselves Faux News or Fox "Opinions presented as News." Also, even on Beck and Limbaugh those guys don't clearly make the point they are opinions. They present their biased bluster with the swaggering arrogance of speaking Gospel truth, and a lot of brain dead idiots eagerly eat it up.


Beck and Limbaugh are commentators not reporters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YICGV7Xu ... re=related

Watch the video, I really don't like repeating myself and am tempted to come up with a quiz to see if people actually watched it.

Also, Fox Report, Special Report, etc. are news shows.



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05 Dec 2010, 7:03 pm

Even though they are commentators and not reporters, a lot of people still rely on Beck and Limbaugh to tell them what's going on and what it really means. As I said before, when those guys made such ignorant statements about evolution it makes me question their credibility on subjects I don't know as much about.

lol I was editing after I posted again and you quoted stuff I had deleted from my edit...oops again... I really do need to keep it in editing mode longer instead of posting first and editing later. My bad!

Thanks for sharing the video, Inuyasha.


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05 Dec 2010, 7:15 pm

TheBicyclingGuitarist wrote:
Even though they are commentators and not reporters, a lot of people still rely on Beck and Limbaugh to tell them what's going on and what it really means. As I said before, when those guys made such ignorant statements about evolution it makes me question their credibility on subjects I don't know as much about.


When Beck screws up on something, he does apologize for it. Beck's style is that he likes to try to be a running comedian similar to Jon Stewart only he has more news. He was at first just going off about Government debt in the early days, then he ran across stuff that led him to believe that some of what is going on is deliberate. I will say that what he says in that video is accurate, which in and of itself is troubling.

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lol I was editing after I posted again and you quoted stuff I had deleted from my edit...oops again... I really do need to keep it in editing mode longer instead of posting first and editing later. My bad!

Thanks for sharing the video, Inuyasha.


No problem, the scary thing is that even by itself the information is troubling. Also not mentioned in the video is later Obama violated 2 Federal Court Orders to impose a 3rd drilling ban. Yeah the courts threw out his first two drilling bans and he put it in place again, if it had been anyone other than the President they would be sitting in jail for contempt of court.



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05 Dec 2010, 7:46 pm

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When Beck screws up on something, he does apologize for it. Beck's style is that he likes to try to be a running comedian similar to Jon Stewart only he has more news.


I'm not holding my breath waiting for Beck or especially Limbaugh to admit they are wrong about evolution. They would lose too many viewers if they did that. As for news, some of what Beck reports is troubling, but OTOH I have never heard Jon Stewart display such appalling ignorance of what is real as Beck and Limbaugh both have on something that I DO know about.

I found long ago that when one is an expert on any subject (I am an authority on the events and technology of the World Wars), that when one sees expressions of it in the popular culture those are frequently riddled with errors. I enjoy watching documentaries about WW2 airplanes, ships and battles on the Discovery Channel and other such networks, but usually only to see video clips I might not have seen before. Quite often the commentary to those clips is just plain wrong, usually only minor errors of nomenclature but sometimes whoppers of misinformation.


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05 Dec 2010, 7:53 pm

There's an unfortunate Social Darwinist undercurrent in American folklore and Fox News panders to prejudices along these lines. It's not about information, it's about validating reprehensible beliefs.



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05 Dec 2010, 7:56 pm

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Also in America we have the right to spew venom, its can be sucky at times but its not your place to strip others of their rights.


No, he does not have the right to the megaphone which is the national media. Freedom of speech applies to standing on a soapbox where he can regale the passers by with his imbecilic mouthings. He has no place on the public airwaves.


How is fox the public air waves?


It is. The electromagnetic specturm belongs to the government. They are public airwaves. That's called sovereignty. Cable should be similarly treated.




bullshat, the government isn't allowed censorship of that nature in regards to television or radio communications. nor should it be. and your notion that the spectrum belongs to the united states government because of their regulatory powers is ridiculous. on a slightly unrelated note are you an American or a Canuck?


The government decides who can use what channel because if someone uses it, someone else can't use it. If an evil organisation uses these channels to pump venom into the population then it's the duty of government to reserve the channels for real news instead of evil swill.



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05 Dec 2010, 8:24 pm

Something else:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5yaINo2-xw&NR=1

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The government decides who can use what channel because if someone uses it, someone else can't use it. If an evil organisation uses these channels to pump venom into the population then it's the duty of government to reserve the channels for real news instead of evil swill.


You know you just prove Beck right.



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05 Dec 2010, 8:36 pm

xenon13 wrote:
ikorack wrote:
xenon13 wrote:
ikorack wrote:
xenon13 wrote:
ikorack wrote:
Also in America we have the right to spew venom, its can be sucky at times but its not your place to strip others of their rights.


No, he does not have the right to the megaphone which is the national media. Freedom of speech applies to standing on a soapbox where he can regale the passers by with his imbecilic mouthings. He has no place on the public airwaves.


How is fox the public air waves?


It is. The electromagnetic specturm belongs to the government. They are public airwaves. That's called sovereignty. Cable should be similarly treated.




bullshat, the government isn't allowed censorship of that nature in regards to television or radio communications. nor should it be. and your notion that the spectrum belongs to the united states government because of their regulatory powers is ridiculous. on a slightly unrelated note are you an American or a Canuck?


The government decides who can use what channel because if someone uses it, someone else can't use it. If an evil organisation uses these channels to pump venom into the population then it's the duty of government to reserve the channels for real news instead of evil swill.


It has no duty but what the legislative gives it, censorship is not one of them. Canuck or American?



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06 Dec 2010, 12:55 pm

ikorack wrote:
xenon13 wrote:
ikorack wrote:
xenon13 wrote:
ikorack wrote:
xenon13 wrote:
ikorack wrote:
Also in America we have the right to spew venom, its can be sucky at times but its not your place to strip others of their rights.


No, he does not have the right to the megaphone which is the national media. Freedom of speech applies to standing on a soapbox where he can regale the passers by with his imbecilic mouthings. He has no place on the public airwaves.


How is fox the public air waves?


It is. The electromagnetic specturm belongs to the government. They are public airwaves. That's called sovereignty. Cable should be similarly treated.




bullshat, the government isn't allowed censorship of that nature in regards to television or radio communications. nor should it be. and your notion that the spectrum belongs to the united states government because of their regulatory powers is ridiculous. on a slightly unrelated note are you an American or a Canuck?


The government decides who can use what channel because if someone uses it, someone else can't use it. If an evil organisation uses these channels to pump venom into the population then it's the duty of government to reserve the channels for real news instead of evil swill.


It has no duty but what the legislative gives it, censorship is not one of them. Canuck or American?


Going to add that since Fox News is a cable channel, the FCC has no say when it comes to regulations. What you are advocating xenon13 is the same thing that is found in dictatorships, not that I am surprised. You seem to want to silence anyone that will not agree with your left wing view of the world.



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06 Dec 2010, 1:57 pm

For the record, I believe Fox has an absolute inalienable right to promote their views and exercise free speech. I personally dislike them because of their dishonesty in pretending to be a legitimate news outlet when they are much more of opinion/commentary than news, but that does not mean I want to censor them.


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06 Dec 2010, 2:08 pm

Orwell wrote:
For the record, I believe Fox has an absolute inalienable right to promote their views and exercise free speech. I personally dislike them because of their dishonesty in pretending to be a legitimate news outlet when they are much more of opinion/commentary than news, but that does not mean I want to censor them.


You are entitled to your opinion, even though I think you are just drinking the left-wing kool-aid. Orwell, you happen to be closer to a Cosby style liberal than you are to a Nancy Pelosi/Al Sharpton style liberal.



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06 Dec 2010, 2:17 pm

Orwell wrote:
For the record, I believe Fox has an absolute inalienable right to promote their views and exercise free speech. I personally dislike them because of their dishonesty in pretending to be a legitimate news outlet when they are much more of opinion/commentary than news, but that does not mean I want to censor them.


Hear! Hear! That's exactly what I've been saying. What offends me the most is their claim to be "fair and balanced" when they are very biased. Fox is slanted more to the right than MSNBC is slanted to the left, and I will be the first to admit that MSNBC does have a definite liberal bias. Still, for NEWS, I trust MSNBC about a gazillion times more than anything from Fox. If i want to hear fear-mongering and right-wing propaganda that is quite often factually incorrect, then I'll go to Fox. But then, why would anyone want to hear lies and BS, that's what I don't understand.


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06 Dec 2010, 2:17 pm

Orwell wrote:
For the record, I believe Fox has an absolute inalienable right to promote their views and exercise free speech. I personally dislike them because of their dishonesty in pretending to be a legitimate news outlet when they are much more of opinion/commentary than news, but that does not mean I want to censor them.


Should they be subject to legal scrutiny if anything they say ends up being slanderous? The individuals involved with the shows? It would seem that Fox News' various op-ed presenters would have a lot of lawsuits against them.


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