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Ragtime
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10 Apr 2012, 3:59 pm

Sorry I was gone for so long -- there were some women who needed oppressing, and, well, I was there, so...

ArrantPariah wrote:
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Why blame "society?" Maybe women are just easier to manipulate, because they wish to conform to what they regard as the demands of "society", when, in fact, it is just a handful of moguls who are calling "society's" shots. The moguls decide what styles are going to be fashionable, and the ladies knock themselves out with conforming.


I really hope that's not true.


One might wish, but do you have a better explanation for the phenomenon?


Ya, you forgot that all women's actions are men's fault -- for conditioning them that way. (You know, conditioning the "strong, indepedent" gender.) And since there will always be men living near women, feminists will always have someone to blame! :)

You feminists won't like what my wife thinks of women who constantly b***h at or about men. She has had this theory for years. She believes that many of those women unconsciously want to be controlled. Let me quote her from another forum, so I get it exactly right:

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When your in one of these Relationship Dynamics you have a clear cut role to be and what is expected of you. It is a very reassuring feeling.

Before I understood my self I would act out and be bitchy and naughty because deep down I wanted to be controlled. I couldn't control myself and I needed someone to do it for me. It was so subconscious. That want and the actions that followed. That I didn't realize it myself why I was behaving like that until we started this relationship. And then I think about the women in my family. How they would behave like me except 100x worse and it got worse and worse threw the years. And it led me to believe that could these women be craving the same control that I have been and not be aware of it? Could this be a need that women, by nature, want?

Now, I'm only going by my family and it might just be our thing. But sometimes I wonder when women get out of control and bitchy and angry, if it is a cry for help to be controlled from them selves. Because that's how it was with me.


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10 Apr 2012, 4:01 pm

http://www.m0ar.org/2906


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10 Apr 2012, 4:03 pm

Ragtime, two points:
first, most of us don't give a damn about your love life, and we've already had TMI from you.
second, one couple is an anecdote. Your experience with your wife is an anecdote.
It''s not data, any more than if an individual woman was posting here about how her husband really liked her to be a dominatrix. Some people are really into that stuff, and some dress it up as religion, but it doesn't have relevance to the general population and frankly I don't want to hear about it any more than I want to hear about how my parents like to have sex. Please show the same amount of decency as everyone else on this thread and stop telling us about your sex life, ok?

Edit: and if your wife has an opinion about something else, she's a member and she can speak for herself.



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10 Apr 2012, 4:04 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
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Equal pay for porn stars?

no, porn should be all unpaid.


That would be ideal, but it won't ever happen.



Why would be ideal that all porn, be it movies or still images, should be unpaid???

P0rn stars need to earn a living to, ya know!



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10 Apr 2012, 4:04 pm

AspieRogue wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
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Equal pay for porn stars?

no, porn should be all unpaid.


That would be ideal, but it won't ever happen.



Why would be ideal that all porn, be it movies or still images, should be unpaid???

P0rn stars need to earn a living to, ya know!


Probably has helped quite a few women pay their way through college!!


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10 Apr 2012, 4:05 pm

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http://www.m0ar.org/2906


:lol:

@Ragtime. I couldn't care less about 'men' as a category. I care about human beings. Seriously, I would be a lesbian if it wasn't for my boyfriend. I wouldn't interact with men enough to b***h at or about them. Funnily, enough, I love a man and still call myself a feminist. I don't b***h about men, I b***h about patriarchy.


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10 Apr 2012, 4:06 pm

AspieRogue wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Equal pay for porn stars?

no, porn should be all unpaid.


That would be ideal, but it won't ever happen.



Why would be ideal that all porn, be it movies or still images, should be unpaid???

P0rn stars need to earn a living to, ya know!


I meant from a consumer's point of view.

The only people doing it would be those who really like it.


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10 Apr 2012, 4:06 pm

LKL wrote:
Ragtime, two points:
first, most of us don't give a damn about your love life, and we've already had TMI from you.
second, one couple is an anecdote. Your experience with your wife is an anecdote.
It''s not data, any more than if an individual woman was posting here about how her husband really liked her to be a dominatrix. Some people are really into that stuff, and some dress it up as religion, but it doesn't have relevance to the general population and frankly I don't want to hear about it any more than I want to hear about how my parents like to have sex. Please show the same amount of decency as everyone else on this thread and stop telling us about your sex life, ok?


I'm not talking about our sex life. :?

And everything you feel is an anecdote, too.


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10 Apr 2012, 4:12 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
AspieRogue wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Equal pay for porn stars?

no, porn should be all unpaid.


That would be ideal, but it won't ever happen.



Why would be ideal that all porn, be it movies or still images, should be unpaid???

P0rn stars need to earn a living to, ya know!


I meant from a consumer's point of view.

The only people doing it would be those who really like it.



If you really like doing something, and people are willing to pay you to do it, then I see nothing wrong with making a career out of it. Besides, there are puh-len-ty of camwhores out there in cyberspace who do amateur porn as a hobby.


hyperlexian: Most wool suits(business or evening)are custom made for each person. Many women's dresses are made in a range of sizes. If you're talking about wedding dresses, than yes, they are a LOT more expensive than men's suits. But you'd be hard pressed to find a decent, new custom made wool suit for under $200. Whereas there are plenty of women's dresses that cost even less than that. Especially if you shop online. Designer dresses are a whole nother kettle of fish though. Especially if they're custom fit.



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10 Apr 2012, 4:16 pm

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If you really like doing something, and people are willing to pay you to do it, then I see nothing wrong with making a career out of it. Besides, there are puh-len-ty of camwhores out there in cyberspace who do amateur porn as a hobby.



There's nothing wrong with making money by being a porn star, it's just that getting paid for it changes the whole nature of the act or producing porn. A business mindset is not a sexy one, imo.


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10 Apr 2012, 4:24 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
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If you really like doing something, and people are willing to pay you to do it, then I see nothing wrong with making a career out of it. Besides, there are puh-len-ty of camwhores out there in cyberspace who do amateur porn as a hobby.



There's nothing wrong with making money by being a porn star, it's just that getting paid for it changes the whole nature of the act or producing porn. A business mindset is not a sexy one, imo.


Sex is business though


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10 Apr 2012, 4:42 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
A business mindset is not a sexy one, imo.


Lots of people find business sexy. Anything can be sexy.



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10 Apr 2012, 4:45 pm

Can Leprosy be sexy?



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10 Apr 2012, 4:46 pm

Tequila wrote:
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A business mindset is not a sexy one, imo.


Lots of people find business sexy. Anything can be sexy.


Seriously. @pudding, you don't think Donald Trump and other such flamboyant businesspeople think business is sexy??


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10 Apr 2012, 4:47 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
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Why blame "society?" Maybe women are just easier to manipulate, because they wish to conform to what they regard as the demands of "society", when, in fact, it is just a handful of moguls who are calling "society's" shots. The moguls decide what styles are going to be fashionable, and the ladies knock themselves out with conforming.


I really hope that's not true.


One might wish, but do you have a better explanation for the phenomenon?


I'm a simple mouse. I have more faith in womankind than that.


Have you watched The Devil Wears Prada?

I can also recommend the book Propaganda by Edward Bernays.

Would women have spontaneously taken up wearing panty-hose, high-heeled shoes, and getting cosmetic chest surgery, completely on their own, without being manipulated by a small number of men, making huge amounts of money?

Are women really out to punish themselves for being women?



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10 Apr 2012, 4:49 pm

What about Rosary beads?