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03 Feb 2013, 4:23 pm

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Here, one wife poses the question: Is Sex Truly An Absolute Physical Need For Men?

http://www.firstwivesworld.com/communit ... l-need-men

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....My husband has always given me the impression that sex is an utter physiological need for all men. Without regular sex, men have physical pain that is tough to endure. According to what he has told me, men can't control the urge to want to have sex and if they don't get the sex they need they need to masturbate in order to relieve the pressure brought on by lack of sex. One time shortly after my baby was born I accidently walked in on my husband as he was "getting busy" by himself in the shower, and his immediate response was, "I gotta get it somewhere!"

...Because of this apparent physical need, I have always had sex with my husband whenever he expressed a desire to get intimate. During those times when I didn't feel like having sex I still did, because I didn't want to be the person standing between my husband and physical comfort. He needed it and I could give it to him, so it seemed like a logical solution. Nevermind that there have been times when I felt like I was absolutely betraying myself for getting intimate with him...at least I was still performing my wifely duty.

What I have been wondering about lately is this: Have I been duped? Is sex truly an absolute physical need for men? I think about the celibate men in the world, and I wonder if they spend their days in sheer agony from pent-up sexual frustration.

In my days as a single gal there were certainly times when I would think to myself, "Sure would be nice to have some sex right now," but it never was a physical ache. I also recognize, however, that men and women are different and I can't really compare my sexual needs with those of my husbands. I can't help but wonder, though, if my husband's claims are real or if I've fallen for some line men use to make sure their wives give them sex regularly.

Probably in most men's estimation, she is a wonderful wife.

A Feminist wife would just say: "You're not Entitled, Buster!"

A Christian wife is supposed to be perfectly submissive to her husband, which should, in principle, involve genital access on command.

In Thailand, Holland, and some parts of Nevada, if the wife wasn't up for it, then the husband could go and relieve himself at a brothel. No big deal, although in Nevada it would get expensive.

Maine had the infamous Zumba instructor, although in seeking to hire her services one would risk arrest, prosecution, intense embarrassment before our highly prurient newsmedia, and being forever labeled a sex offender.

If you've ever had two dogs, of which one was a younger uncastrated male, then you know that the one dog will spend the whole damned day trying to hump the other dog. The other dog will get no rest at all so long as the younger dog still has his nuts.

Of course, women have vaginas and wombs, and it behooves them to be careful about what enters them.

So you haven't proven that men need sex. You've just found one woman who doesn't question her husband when he says he must have access to her body.

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03 Feb 2013, 4:30 pm

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So you haven't proven that men need sex. You've just found one woman who doesn't question her husband when he says he must have access to her body.

Was I supposed to prove that? I guess that I just didn't understand my assignment.

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03 Feb 2013, 4:32 pm

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puddingmouse wrote:

So you haven't proven that men need sex. You've just found one woman who doesn't question her husband when he says he must have access to her body.

Was I supposed to prove that? I guess that I just didn't understand my assignment.

That's was what I was asking ripped to do because that was his assertion. I thought you were stepping in for him.

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03 Feb 2013, 5:57 pm

Why is the question of men needing sex or not even relevant?

No one technically *needs* a haircut or a soccer match, but we don't question the legitimacy of hairdressers and soccer players as a result, now do we?

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03 Feb 2013, 6:04 pm

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I'm not questioning the role of prostitutes - I was simply trying to get ripped to back up his assertion.

It's relevant to me because some men use this supposed 'need' for sex as emotional blackmail against the women in their lives. Plus, it has cultural effects with the idea of marital debt (women owing men sex for having married them) and the attitude that still exists in some communities that you can't rape your wife.

The implications of men 'needing' sex go beyond prostitution.

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03 Feb 2013, 7:22 pm

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GGPViper wrote:

I am not able to comment on the morals of other men.
The adversarial nature of your line of comment has its limits. I would say it is necessary for the courtroom, but in relations between men and women it does not seem to bring anyone together.

Are you willing to argue that men have no needs from the opposite sex?
My assertion of men's need for sex is only relevant to my need for physical intimacy with at least one woman.
My patronage of prostitutes is the closest I can come to fulfilling all of my relationship needs. It is a poor consolation, yet one I value. And in comparison to not even getting sex with a desirable partner no matter what I put on the line, sex with a woman employed in that profession is the best of a bad situation.

Your request of a peer reviewed scientific paper proving a personal need was condescending and callous.
Do you notice the difference in the bearing and self esteem of women close to you when they begin a new relationship? The ease in their countenance and the joy they radiate?
I doubt they would go on record as saying that men are necessary, but when something provides you with so much by way of quality of life, self esteem and gratitude that at the time you could not bear the thought of being without it, why then is it such a boundary for you to consider that a need?

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03 Feb 2013, 7:29 pm

ripped wrote:

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GGPViper wrote:

I don't care if you get your rocks off with prostitutes. I'm not judging you for that. I was calling you out on what I saw as an unsupported assertion.
You weren't claiming it was a personal need originally, you were claiming it was a male need. Surely you can see some implications when you generalise your personal desires as needs for a whole class of people?

Plus, I'm not looking to build bridges/relationships/anything with you or with men as a class in general. I don't have to. You're not owed anything.

I've seen more women looking tired out and frustrated by their relationships with men, but that's neither here nor there because anecdotes prove nothing.

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03 Feb 2013, 7:32 pm

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Then what is your business here?

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03 Feb 2013, 7:35 pm

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Then what is your business here?

To get to the truth and to examine the beliefs that people take as 'given'. I like to prod at received wisdom, especially when that received wisdom is used to oppress people, as in the idea that men absolutely need sex.

If I want to make friends, I go on other forums.

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03 Feb 2013, 8:38 pm

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GGPViper wrote:

The female sex drive may wax and wane through the monthly cycle, whereas the male sex drive generally remains relatively constant.

If he wants (or needs) coitus and she doesn't, then either he goes without, or he masturbates, or she makes her vagina available anyway, or she offers a blowjob, or he goes to a brothel.

An executive ejaculatory administrator can handle maybe a dozen clients during the day. It seems that a wife with one husband ought to be capable of satisfying her husband's appetites. Unless he is a younger fellow who wants to shag six times per day. I can see where that would get tiring on a wife. An older husband generally won't be so demanding. Hugh Hefner is down to twice per week. Most guys his age would probably be happy with twice per year.

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03 Feb 2013, 11:21 pm

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Previously, someone suggested turning the "Should Prostitution be Legal?" thread into a poll.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf43041-0-90.html

So, here we go.

I'm curious to see whether attitudes differ by gender.

As long as its regulated to ensure the men and women in the industry are there on their own free will I'm all for it.

Its the oldest profession in the world and I do not see why we have so many stigmas towards it.

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04 Feb 2013, 12:00 am

I don't have the time or inclination to read 21 pages to see who said what but I vote to legalize it.
You end up paying for it anyway in some form so you may as well know how much you're going to have to pay for what services and be done with that part of it.

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04 Feb 2013, 5:51 am

I only learned because of this thread, that prostitution was still illegal in the USA. In my country it is a normal business, and I think all sides are profiting from this.

Customers: Official prostitutes have to do regularly visits at the doctor, to approve that they do not have HIV, Tuberculosis, ....

Customers have more physical safety, because instead of going into hiding into some anonymous motel, where may be criminal complices are waiting, you can check in into normal hotels.

Prostitutes: They are not forced to work in illegal places or at unsecure dark streets, so there is no need of having contacts to criminal organisation "to protect you in exchange for a part of her payment". So criminal elements have an option less in which they can earn money. If they can earn no money, they are not interested, so less criminals, pimps and that stuff...

Because of this, the prostitute is not forced to give away the most amount of her money = cheaper prices = higher social value for the prostitute. And I think customers also like healthy women more then poor, drug addicted one.

Personally, I cant find anything that would lead to an misadvantage of legalizing prositution. So by theory you could talk about the advantages and misadvantages of prostitution itself. But when it comes to reality there is always prostitution, you only can decide if you want an legal or illegal one.

So there is still illegal prostitution in my country, because of customers, that are crazy and do not want to use condoms or ill women that they not get the health pass anymore or because of forced slavery and so on, which is bad, but still I think it is much better, that the rest of the woman have the chance to do this business on their own will and terms.

There are also rules for the business, so if you are working on the street it is forbidden in areas around schools, kindergarten and so on.... during day it is only allowed in "civil clothing" and so on, but I think this leads to more security for all. So when I was visiting regularly a gaming club around the age of 20, and had to go from the club location to my car through the capital city at 01:00-02:00 at night, I often met these ladies when walking on the broader streets (these typical dark streets you know from movies are avoided by the prostitutes so noone can kidnapp or be aggressive against them without others mentioning or such things), but never felt myself intimated by their presence or anything. Most of them are well earning ladies, so they have no need for rude behaviour or such things and I never had a problem while sharing the sidewalk with them. So I never feeled the need of being afraid and so on, and you can talk with them without problems if you are lost as visitor from the country or need fire or a light to have a look on your streetmap to find your car. Complete houses and bars are normally more in industrial areas, so no need to explain your 3 year old, whats the red house with the 7 meter high painted naked girl on it. XD

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04 Feb 2013, 6:02 am

I'm surprised it's illegal in America. I vote for legal and regulated prostitution.

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04 Feb 2013, 8:42 am

It looks like even monkeys who are being taught to use coins end up using the coins for prostitution

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/05/magaz ... d=all&_r=0

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....Something else happened during that chaotic scene, something that convinced Chen of the monkeys' true grasp of money. Perhaps the most distinguishing characteristic of money, after all, is its fungibility, the fact that it can be used to buy not just food but anything. During the chaos in the monkey cage, Chen saw something out of the corner of his eye that he would later try to play down but in his heart of hearts he knew to be true. What he witnessed was probably the first observed exchange of money for sex in the history of monkeykind. (Further proof that the monkeys truly understood money: the monkey who was paid for sex immediately traded the token in for a grape.)

This is a sensitive subject. The capuchin lab at Yale has been built and maintained to make the monkeys as comfortable as possible, and especially to allow them to carry on in a natural state. The introduction of money was tricky enough; it wouldn't reflect well on anyone involved if the money turned the lab into a brothel. To this end, Chen has taken steps to ensure that future monkey sex at Yale occurs as nature intended it.

But these facts remain: When taught to use money, a group of capuchin monkeys responded quite rationally to simple incentives; responded irrationally to risky gambles; failed to save; stole when they could; used money for food and, on occasion, sex. In other words, they behaved a good bit like the creature that most of Chen's more traditional colleagues study: Homo sapiens

We must have it in our genes.

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I'm surprised it's illegal in America.

Yes, we have a weird country. That isn't likely to change any time soon.

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04 Feb 2013, 11:27 am

Raptor wrote:

I don't have the time or inclination to read 21 pages to see who said what .....

You've missed out on 21 pages of the most salaciously sagacious literature since Wrong Planet was founded. :shameonyou:

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