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25 Jan 2021, 11:29 am

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One of the things that bothers me is an event that took place during the Capital Riots. Two pipe bombs were found just blocks away at the offices of the Republican and Democratic national committees.

It was around 12:45 p.m. Wednesday when U.S. Capitol Police and agents from the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives were called to the Republican National Committee’s office after a pipe bomb was found outside. About 30 minutes later, as the agents and bomb technicians were still investigating at the RNC, another call came in for a second, similar explosive device found at the Democratic National Committee headquarters nearby.

The two explosive devices were very similar, and both were about a foot long with end caps and wiring that appeared to be attached to a timer, according to two law enforcement officials familiar with the matter. Investigators are still examining the devices and their components to determine the specific compounds inside the pipe bombs, but they both appeared to contain an unknown powder and some metal, the officials said.

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Source: Discovery of pipe bombs in DC obscured by riot at Capitol

So who was responsible for this? Was it the Republicans? Was it the Democrats? Or was it another group? A group that is intent on tearing this country apart - the anarchist?

To add to the mix, during the inauguration ceremony, a bomb threat was made against the U.S. Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court faced a bomb threat on Wednesday as congressional lawmakers and prominent political figures gathered in Washington, DC, for President-elect Joe Biden's inauguration. The Supreme Court building was closed to the public on Wednesday due to COVID-19, and was not evacuated, CNN reported, despite initial reports suggesting otherwise.

Source: Supreme Court faces bomb threat during Biden's inauguration

So who is responsible for the bomb threat? Is it perhaps the individual that planted bombs at both the Republican and Democratic National Committee Headquarters?

Anybody could have placed those bombs. The vote to challenge the electors on 1/6 was massively publicized in advance.


Anybody can call in a bomb threat. It is tempting to do. People do it just to see their call make the news. From the end of the 60s into the ‘70s bomb threats were a way of life, they rarely made the news. Kids would call my high school all the time as a way of avoiding class.


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25 Jan 2021, 11:48 am

The last observation [about bomb threats] then leads to the question? Was the Capital Riots staged? Did anarchists infiltrate the masses of peaceful Trump supporter and lead the charge into the Capital? Is there any proof to that theory?

The anarchist have infiltrated many of the peaceful Democratic and BLM protest during the summer and fall of the year and turned these peaceful demonstrations in riots, anarchy and looting. This was on a massive scale and resulted in hundreds of millions of dollars of damage just when the U.S. was trying to open up its economy. Almost all of the protest on the right have been peaceful demonstrations during this period.

Unlike many of the violent protest that took place over the summer; few of the main actors were gathered up and punished. But during the Capital Riots, the exact opposite occurred. Every tool of the government and internet was used to track down people and take them into custody. And rightly so! [But care must be exercised to separate the peaceful demonstrators from the violent ones.]

But is there proof? There might be. One of the violent protestors that was rounded up was an anarchist named John Sullivan. He helped lead the charge into the Capital.

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John Sullivan claims he's not a Trump supporter, but instead a racial justice activist. The 26 year old man currently faces federal charges for storming the U.S. Capitol on January 6. The self-described activist is reportedly the founder of "Insurgence USA", a coalition focused on ending police brutality and racial injustices. In an interview with Rolling Stone and other news outlets, Sullivan claims to have purportedly attempted to fit in with the mob of insurrectionists to capture footage of the attack on film, as he considers himself a journalist that films protests. Authorities, however, say Sullivan admitted that he does not possess any authentic press credentials or have any ties to a journalistic organization.

"I was worried about people recognizing me and thinking that I was Antifa or, like BLM or whatever," he told Rolling Stone "The entire time they're yelling 'F*** Antifa! F*** BLM. I'm not saying I'm Antifa, by any means. But I definately believe Black Lives Matter."

After his capture in Utah according to court documents. Sullivan's footage included the fatal shooting of Trump loyalist Ashley Babbitt. After reviewing Sullivan's footage, authorities determined Sullivan to have played a role in the attack and encouraged others as well. Foulger says Sullivan can be heard on video encouraging others as they stormed the Capitol. Sullivan can be heard in the video saying at various points: "There are so many people. Let's go. This s**t is ours! F*** yeah. We accomplished this s**t. We did this together.... We are all a part of this history," and
"Let's burn this s**t down."

Source: "Activist" John Sullivan charged in U.S. capitol attack.

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Leaked screenshots from director of Insurgence USA John Sullivan’s Discord server reveal that the far-left activist was let inside the Capitol building by law enforcement on Jan. 6 after dressing himself in a “Make America Great Again” (MAGA) costume.

The radical revolutionary admitted to pretending to be a Trump supporter before gaining access to the halls of Congress. The “violence” that ensued was a staged false flag attack designed to frame conservatives as “insurrectionists” and “domestic terrorists” who need to be punished for their political beliefs.

Sullivan and his comrades openly admitted in what they thought were private correspondences that the plan was to don pro-Trump camouflage while being let inside the halls of Congress by complicit law enforcement. CNN was also a co-conspirator, having sent photojournalist Jade Sacker to document the faux breach.

One of Sullivan’s co-conspirators wrote on the Discord server that he “had to wear a Trump hat and shirtm [sic],” to which another responded that simply “[p]utting on a Trump hat does not make him blend in.”

The synthetic siege with all of its obviously staged elements was still enough to convince tens of millions of leftist Americans that Trump supporters are “terrorists,” though. Since the “attack,” more damage has been done to the conservative image than perhaps at any other time during the Trump presidency, which was clearly the goal.

Yet another user in the same thread who calls himself “deaththreat” openly admitted that he was “in the front line of the battle” for the soul of the nation that day. This person “who was there personally,” in his own words, added that there “was a large sum of anti-Trumpers” inside the building pretending to be Trump supporters.

Still another admitted to goading on violence by encouraging posers to “counter protest” with weapons. In other words, it was leftists who came to the Capitol to commit violence, not Trump supporters as the fake news media and hordes of corrupt politicians continue to claim.

“Who ever is going to the counter protest (DC) on the 6th, bring a weapon with you,” this person clearly stated in the leaked conversation.

Another bombshell admission came from another participant who wrote that “[Cops] let us all inside,” meaning nobody had to break their way into the Capitol against the will of law enforcement. The police who were present there that day were complicit in the conspiracy, and obviously knew in advance what was going to happen.

“We disagree with your choice but respect your decision,” is what these cops told the insurrectionists before “just let[ting] them inside,” this person wrote.

John Sullivan AKA "Jayden X" on twitter, himself piped in all throughout the conversation to discuss “civil war” and “revolution” while posing with firearms. In the below photo, you can clearly see that Sullivan’s goal was to look like a terrorist, and he certainly succeeded.

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Source: Leaked evidence shows John Sullivan admitting to posing as Trump supporter while being let inside Capitol building

So where does the truth lie in Capital Riots? Was it in part staged by anarchist infiltrating the ranks of peaceful protestors? There are always two sides to every story and both sides should be investigated. Snap judgements are often wrong.


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25 Jan 2021, 12:27 pm

Are you looking at the clues first, or the conclusions?

It is a capital mistake to theorize and conclude before one has examined ALL the evidence -- doing so biases one's judgement.  A man who wants to determine the truth must first clear his mind of all assumptions and suspicions, then examine each piece of evidence on its own and within the context of the crime.

Did you interview witnesses?  Did you lift fingerprints or biofluid samples?  Have you asked any of your own questions of any on-scene investigators?  Did you take the necessary measurements and photographs?  Have you even been any closer to any piece of evidence than the images on your computer monitor?


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25 Jan 2021, 2:37 pm

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Are you looking at the clues first, or the conclusions?

It is a capital mistake to theorize and conclude before one has examined ALL the evidence -- doing so biases one's judgement.  A man who wants to determine the truth must first clear his mind of all assumptions and suspicions, then examine each piece of evidence on its own and within the context of the crime.

Did you interview witnesses?  Did you lift fingerprints or biofluid samples?  Have you asked any of your own questions of any on-scene investigators?  Did you take the necessary measurements and photographs?  Have you even been any closer to any piece of evidence than the images on your computer monitor?


That is a true statement but it also applies to Mr. Fnord. We are both subjected to reports in the media, internet and social media. And we try and understand the world around us. But if you only look through one lens, your observations may be distorted. Thereby looking at events from several different perspectives, allows one to come closer to finding the real truth in this world.


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25 Jan 2021, 3:07 pm

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The metric of gdp is very recent in terms of the history of the world. trump claiming the USA has the best economy in the history of the world is entirely unprovable. Who knows how the economy of Ancient Rome or Mesopotamia or Atlantis or any other number of economies operated?


Hmmmm! The ancient lost city of Atlantis has a better economy than the United States! I think I will need some proof on this assertion. Sources????

What about ancient civilizations like the Great Roman Empire? How do you measure their economy. Do you measure it in terms of the numbers of slaves they possessed? According to Wikipedia:

Slavery in ancient Rome played an important role in society and the economy. Besides manual labor, slaves performed many domestic services, and might be employed at highly skilled jobs and professions. Accountants and physicians were often slaves. Slaves of Greek origin in particular might be highly educated. Unskilled slaves, or those sentenced to slavery as punishment, worked on farms, in mines, and at mills.

Slaves were considered property under Roman law and had no legal personhood. Most slaves would never be freed. Unlike Roman citizens, they could be subjected to corporal punishment, sexual exploitation (prostitutes were often slaves), torture and summary execution.

Estimates for the prevalence of slavery in the Roman Empire vary. Estimates of the percentage of the population of Italy who were slaves range from 30 to 40 percent in the 1st century BC, upwards of two to three million slaves in Italy by the end of the 1st century BC, about 35% to 40% of Italy's population. [Most of the slaves were owned by the elites.] An estimated 49% of all slaves were owned by the elite, who made up less than 1.5% of the empire's population.


For many thousands of years, the Earth was ruled by monarchs. These were royalty, kings, queens, princes and vassals who ruled over the population. The wealth of their kingdoms was measured by the number of Medieval serfs (another word for slaves) they possessed and their land territory. I am sure the peasants were very happy with their lot.

Serfs were the poorest of the peasant class, and were a type of slave. Lords owned the serfs who lived on their lands. In exchange for a place to live, serfs worked the land to grow crops for themselves and their lord. In addition, serfs were expected to work the farms for the lord and pay rent. Everyday peasants could be educated and marry if they could afford it. Serfs were not allowed to become educated or to marry and were not permitted to relocate without the lord's approval. As with slaves, serfs could be bought, sold, or traded.

But were serfs only a rare minority? No, not really. For example according to Wikipedia in Russia:
In 1649 up to three-quarters of Muscovy's peasants, or 13 to 14 million people, were serfs whose material lives were barely distinguishable from slaves. Perhaps another 1.5 million were formally enslaved, with Russian slaves serving Russian masters.

So in the utopian view of world history, how do you measure the worlds economy? Provide some proof that Trump's statement about the U.S. Economy is outright lie. And also address if you are also including the lives of slaves/serfs in your analysis. Sources???????

So if as you said, "claiming the USA has the best economy in the history of the world is entirely unprovable." Then why are you claiming he is a liar, where is your proof?


I didn’t present any data or make any claims about ancient economies. I merely pointed out that many have existed from Babylon (one of the greatest, ever, btw) to vast African Empires that we’re wealthier than anything we’ve ever known.

It’s impossible for trump to Know that the American economy under his watch was the best economy in the history of the world & thus his claim is BS - right along with almost everything he’s ever uttered. Dude’s a pathological liar. You sort of have to be, clinically, to be caught lying publicly more than 30,000 times in 4 years. Lying is literally automatic for him.


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25 Jan 2021, 3:11 pm

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One of the things that bothers me is an event that took place during the Capital Riots. Two pipe bombs were found just blocks away at the offices of the Republican and Democratic national committees.

It was around 12:45 p.m. Wednesday when U.S. Capitol Police and agents from the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives were called to the Republican National Committee’s office after a pipe bomb was found outside. About 30 minutes later, as the agents and bomb technicians were still investigating at the RNC, another call came in for a second, similar explosive device found at the Democratic National Committee headquarters nearby.

The two explosive devices were very similar, and both were about a foot long with end caps and wiring that appeared to be attached to a timer, according to two law enforcement officials familiar with the matter. Investigators are still examining the devices and their components to determine the specific compounds inside the pipe bombs, but they both appeared to contain an unknown powder and some metal, the officials said.

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Source: Discovery of pipe bombs in DC obscured by riot at Capitol

So who was responsible for this? Was it the Republicans? Was it the Democrats? Or was it another group? A group that is intent on tearing this country apart - the anarchist?

To add to the mix, during the inauguration ceremony, a bomb threat was made against the U.S. Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court faced a bomb threat on Wednesday as congressional lawmakers and prominent political figures gathered in Washington, DC, for President-elect Joe Biden's inauguration. The Supreme Court building was closed to the public on Wednesday due to COVID-19, and was not evacuated, CNN reported, despite initial reports suggesting otherwise.

Source: Supreme Court faces bomb threat during Biden's inauguration

So who is responsible for the bomb threat? Is it perhaps the individual that planted bombs at both the Republican and Democratic National Committee Headquarters?


I dunno but one article/news clip I heard (can’t recall) sounds plausible to me: Investigators suspect that the pipe bombs were distractions set out by police or military trained insurrectionists that stormed the capitol. The bombs were big enough to be a concern, but not big enough to take out buildings like that was their primary plan or anything. Investigators believe they were set with the intention of distracting police and dividing police resources to deal with the pipe bombs, which would allow the insurrectionists more time to storm the capitol & take hostages or kill potential victims.


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25 Jan 2021, 3:22 pm

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The last observation [about bomb threats] then leads to the question? Was the Capital Riots staged? Did anarchists infiltrate the masses of peaceful Trump supporter and lead the charge into the Capital? Is there any proof to that theory?

The anarchist have infiltrated many of the peaceful Democratic and BLM protest during the summer and fall of the year and turned these peaceful demonstrations in riots, anarchy and looting. This was on a massive scale and resulted in hundreds of millions of dollars of damage just when the U.S. was trying to open up its economy. Almost all of the protest on the right have been peaceful demonstrations during this period.

Unlike many of the violent protest that took place over the summer; few of the main actors were gathered up and punished. But during the Capital Riots, the exact opposite occurred. Every tool of the government and internet was used to track down people and take them into custody. And rightly so! [But care must be exercised to separate the peaceful demonstrators from the violent ones.]

But is there proof? There might be. One of the violent protestors that was rounded up was an anarchist named John Sullivan. He helped lead the charge into the Capital.

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John Sullivan claims he's not a Trump supporter, but instead a racial justice activist. The 26 year old man currently faces federal charges for storming the U.S. Capitol on January 6. The self-described activist is reportedly the founder of "Insurgence USA", a coalition focused on ending police brutality and racial injustices. In an interview with Rolling Stone and other news outlets, Sullivan claims to have purportedly attempted to fit in with the mob of insurrectionists to capture footage of the attack on film, as he considers himself a journalist that films protests. Authorities, however, say Sullivan admitted that he does not possess any authentic press credentials or have any ties to a journalistic organization.

"I was worried about people recognizing me and thinking that I was Antifa or, like BLM or whatever," he told Rolling Stone "The entire time they're yelling 'F*** Antifa! F*** BLM. I'm not saying I'm Antifa, by any means. But I definately believe Black Lives Matter."

After his capture in Utah according to court documents. Sullivan's footage included the fatal shooting of Trump loyalist Ashley Babbitt. After reviewing Sullivan's footage, authorities determined Sullivan to have played a role in the attack and encouraged others as well. Foulger says Sullivan can be heard on video encouraging others as they stormed the Capitol. Sullivan can be heard in the video saying at various points: "There are so many people. Let's go. This s**t is ours! F*** yeah. We accomplished this s**t. We did this together.... We are all a part of this history," and
"Let's burn this s**t down."

Source: "Activist" John Sullivan charged in U.S. capitol attack.

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Leaked screenshots from director of Insurgence USA John Sullivan’s Discord server reveal that the far-left activist was let inside the Capitol building by law enforcement on Jan. 6 after dressing himself in a “Make America Great Again” (MAGA) costume.

The radical revolutionary admitted to pretending to be a Trump supporter before gaining access to the halls of Congress. The “violence” that ensued was a staged false flag attack designed to frame conservatives as “insurrectionists” and “domestic terrorists” who need to be punished for their political beliefs.

Sullivan and his comrades openly admitted in what they thought were private correspondences that the plan was to don pro-Trump camouflage while being let inside the halls of Congress by complicit law enforcement. CNN was also a co-conspirator, having sent photojournalist Jade Sacker to document the faux breach.

One of Sullivan’s co-conspirators wrote on the Discord server that he “had to wear a Trump hat and shirtm [sic],” to which another responded that simply “[p]utting on a Trump hat does not make him blend in.”

The synthetic siege with all of its obviously staged elements was still enough to convince tens of millions of leftist Americans that Trump supporters are “terrorists,” though. Since the “attack,” more damage has been done to the conservative image than perhaps at any other time during the Trump presidency, which was clearly the goal.

Yet another user in the same thread who calls himself “deaththreat” openly admitted that he was “in the front line of the battle” for the soul of the nation that day. This person “who was there personally,” in his own words, added that there “was a large sum of anti-Trumpers” inside the building pretending to be Trump supporters.

Still another admitted to goading on violence by encouraging posers to “counter protest” with weapons. In other words, it was leftists who came to the Capitol to commit violence, not Trump supporters as the fake news media and hordes of corrupt politicians continue to claim.

“Who ever is going to the counter protest (DC) on the 6th, bring a weapon with you,” this person clearly stated in the leaked conversation.

Another bombshell admission came from another participant who wrote that “[Cops] let us all inside,” meaning nobody had to break their way into the Capitol against the will of law enforcement. The police who were present there that day were complicit in the conspiracy, and obviously knew in advance what was going to happen.

“We disagree with your choice but respect your decision,” is what these cops told the insurrectionists before “just let[ting] them inside,” this person wrote.

John Sullivan AKA "Jayden X" on twitter, himself piped in all throughout the conversation to discuss “civil war” and “revolution” while posing with firearms. In the below photo, you can clearly see that Sullivan’s goal was to look like a terrorist, and he certainly succeeded.

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Source: Leaked evidence shows John Sullivan admitting to posing as Trump supporter while being let inside Capitol building

So where does the truth lie in Capital Riots? Was it in part staged by anarchist infiltrating the ranks of peaceful protestors? There are always two sides to every story and both sides should be investigated. Snap judgements are often wrong.


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Magas and far right extremists planned the capitol riot on social media in advance. trump invited them there and then invited violence. People came prepared with riot cuffs, body armour, chemical weapons and more. Then things got “wild,” just as trump promised & people died.. and now we have some sort of cognitive dissonance going on where people on the right refuse to accept that far right wing extremists, who are responsible for the majority of domestic terrorism in the USA, committed these heinous acts & now must face the music.

It was Antifa!! BLM did it!! :lol: Umm, no. Unhinges folks on the far right listened to trump, giuliani, and don jr. and attacked the capitol to “take their country back.”

As far as I’ve seen the FBI is being careful to separate peaceful protestors from those who committed acts of violence. That’s why a lot of them are only being charged with things like unlawful entry or the like. The worst of the worst, regardless of who any media company says they’re affiliated with, will be charged accordingly - with attempted murder, murder, insurrection, sedition etc - whatever is applicable to their crimes.


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25 Jan 2021, 3:24 pm

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Are you looking at the clues first, or the conclusions?

It is a capital mistake to theorize and conclude before one has examined ALL the evidence -- doing so biases one's judgement.  A man who wants to determine the truth must first clear his mind of all assumptions and suspicions, then examine each piece of evidence on its own and within the context of the crime.

Did you interview witnesses?  Did you lift fingerprints or biofluid samples?  Have you asked any of your own questions of any on-scene investigators?  Did you take the necessary measurements and photographs?  Have you even been any closer to any piece of evidence than the images on your computer monitor?


That is a true statement but it also applies to Mr. Fnord. We are both subjected to reports in the media, internet and social media. And we try and understand the world around us. But if you only look through one lens, your observations may be distorted. Thereby looking at events from several different perspectives, allows one to come closer to finding the real truth in this world.


How fascinating of you to say that, especially since your posts imply that you consume news via an echo chamber of right wing slanted sources telling you that everything wrong not America, including right wing violence, is the political left’s fault. :chin:


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25 Jan 2021, 3:46 pm

IMHO this is just a right wing version of a deflection technique the left has successfully used. The left have gaslighted critics of BLM by constantly and consistently screaming “mostly peaceful protests” and claiming it ain’t us it was a false flag. These claims are based on elements of truth. Most BLM protests were peaceful, the vast majority of BLM protesters were peaceful. And a Boogaloo Bois was involved during the attack on the Minneapolis police precinct. So therefore BLM associated riots did not happen, there is nothing to see there.

So the right is using the same technique and now a site that sells quack diet supplements claims to have found one false flag operative. Like the left there are elements of truth, the MAGA protests were mostly peaceful, even the majority of protesters at the Capital were peaceful milling about on the Capital lawn not breeching the building.

Unlike with the left I do not give this attempt at gaslighting a rat’s ass chance of succeeding.
1. The targets were not businesses or even the local police precinct but Congress and maybe Congressmen, Senators, and the Vice President.

2. The rioters were really narcissistic taking endless selfies of themselves in the act, doing the work for law enforcement.

3. Unlike BLM and Antifa these alt right organizations are centralized making finding out rioters are members of said organizations so much easier.

4. Yes the mainstream media is more sympathetic to a “civil rights” cause then a pro Trump one.


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25 Jan 2021, 4:09 pm

The FBI has release photographs of the individual responsible for the pipe bombs.

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The FBI released a photograph last week showing an individual dressed in a grey sweatshirt, a hood over his head and a white mask hiding their face. They also wore dark gloves, sneakers, dark pants and a dark backpack.

The FBI is also offering a $50,000 reward or information leading to the location, arrest & conviction of the person(s) responsible for the pipe bombs found in Washington DC on January 6.

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Source: Hunt for the DC pipe bomber: FBI releases new photos of suspect who planted homemade explosives outside RNC and DNC headquarters while rioters stormed Capitol

It would seem with all the forensic tools available to the U.S., this individual should be easy to identify.


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25 Jan 2021, 4:28 pm

Jimmy, there is a BIG difference between "Suspected of" and "Responsible for".  I suggest you learn what it is.  Here are some hints:

Accusations are not proof.

Assumptions are not proof.

Rumors are not proof.

Suspicions are not proof.


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25 Jan 2021, 5:54 pm

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The FBI has release photographs of the individual responsible for the pipe bombs.

It would seem with all the forensic tools available to the U.S., this individual should be easy to identify.


Why? :? What makes you think the person will be easy to identify? Hoodie & sneaker recognition software? :?

It’s a human, covered in clothing, complete with gloves, a mask, and a hood. No clear images of their face or eyes, slim to no chance of finger prints or DNA evidence.

How exactly are they supposed to be easy to identify? :? I’m genuinely curious how you think so.


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The FBI has release photographs of the individual responsible for the pipe bombs.  It would seem with all the forensic tools available to the U.S., this individual should be easy to identify.
Why?  What makes you think the person will be easy to identify?  Hoodie & sneaker recognition software?  It’s a human, covered in clothing, complete with gloves, a mask, and a hood.  No clear images of their face or eyes, slim to no chance of finger prints or DNA evidence.  How exactly are they supposed to be easy to identify?  I’m genuinely curious how you think so.
For that matter, how does one identify the goals, the intent, and the political identity of the person in the picture?


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The FBI has release photographs of the individual responsible for the pipe bombs.  It would seem with all the forensic tools available to the U.S., this individual should be easy to identify.
Why?  What makes you think the person will be easy to identify?  Hoodie & sneaker recognition software?  It’s a human, covered in clothing, complete with gloves, a mask, and a hood.  No clear images of their face or eyes, slim to no chance of finger prints or DNA evidence.  How exactly are they supposed to be easy to identify?  I’m genuinely curious how you think so.
For that matter, how does one identify the goals, the intent, and the political identity of the person in the picture?


Aren’t some of those things irrelevant even if they are determined?

Pretty sure it’s illegal to just go placing pipe bombs around government/political buildings no matter what your reasoning.


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