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21 Sep 2009, 7:28 am

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According to a recent study (Ulster University, 2006), the Germans and Dutch have the highest IQ in Europe: average 107.

This raises the question: Is there a 'master race' in North-western Europe ?

Jews and Japanese are smarter, on average. Maybe that is why the Nazis tried to kill of the Jews.

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Make up your mind, ruveyn. Do racial differences exist or not?

Cultural differences exist. There is no cogent notion of race. Biologically we are all members of one species, homo sapien sapien. The so called racial differences (those that can be inherited genetically) are superficial and trivial. Our species is a bunch of mutts.

Our flawed kind came into being (by evolution) about 250,000 years ago. An Ice Age, and several droughts and super-volcanoes have toughened us up and smartened us up. Now we are the only surviving hominid with the gift of gab and a rather enlarged opinion of ourselves.

We are smart enough to have developed several thousand languages, several dozen major cultural patterns and a little over a hundred nation-states. Think of us forming gangs so we can have periodic "rumbles". The brightest among us have figured out what stuff is made of (atoms) and how it might have All Began.

It is not clear that we will survive our own cleverness. We are a bit too clever by a half and we are our greatest danger. We have seen The Enemy and He is Us.

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21 Sep 2009, 8:01 am

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Ulster Univ. 2006, researcher Lynn!! !! !! !

Lynn is widely known as a quack. In any case, you still haven't given a link. Post a link to a study in a legitimate peer-reviewed journal.

Please provide a link to back up your assertion that "Lynn is widely known as a quack". I shall expect your source to be completely unbiased, and I will of course be the judge of whether or not that is the case.

Well, since you regard mainstream scholarship to be biased on the issue of race, I can't really show you any source that you would believe to be unbiased. You are, of course, wrong in that belief, but it is unlikely that you will change it. Richard Lynn has been denounced by a number of scientists for misrepresenting his data and selective interpretation of existing data.

To codarac and Carlofirst: I am an American mutt, a mix of Irish, Scottish, Italian, and who knows what else from the rural parts of Pennsylvania. I have a full-scale IQ that is conservatively measured at 133, and a verbal IQ that is too high to be accurately measured by normal tests. Does this make me part of some "Master race?" Does it make me in some way superior to the Germans who, you claim, average out at 107? Somehow I doubt it. IQ scores really do not mean that much.

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21 Sep 2009, 8:08 am

There is a Master Race. It is homo sapien sapien. It is us, the human race.

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21 Sep 2009, 8:29 am

Orwell wrote:

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According to a recent study (Ulster University, 2006), the Germans and Dutch have the highest IQ in Europe: average 107.

This raises the question: Is there a 'master race' in North-western Europe ?

Can you show the study?

The average bachelor's degree holder has an IQ of 115. The typical doctorate degree holder has an IQ of 125. If your "master race" is only at 107, they're lagging pretty far behind the educated class of all races.

It should also be noted that Germans are not really a single race. They have a slew of different nationalities all mixed together. So much for pure-blooded Aryans.

9! If statitics are correct, then the master race univercity would be higher then IQ 115.

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21 Sep 2009, 8:33 am

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There is a Master Race. It is homo sapien sapien. It is us, the human race.

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Mmnn this is what I would have said to Hitler, if I had the chance..

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21 Sep 2009, 8:42 am

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This thread is racist. Nobody deserves to be seen as gentically superior because their nationality has IQ points 7 above average.

Maybe we should just generally accept difference and diversity regardless of genetics. I don't think it is possible to continue to believe that we are all same. For example some woman in my office have beautiful bodies others have old and haggered boddies full of celluelite we cannot pretend their genetics are equal but we can except that they should be treated as equals.

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21 Sep 2009, 10:21 am

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metelz wrote:

This thread is racist. Nobody deserves to be seen as gentically superior because their nationality has IQ points 7 above average.

Everybody gets old and haggard whatever their genetics.

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21 Sep 2009, 10:42 am

No, no, orwell!! ! Come on with your sources, big boy!

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21 Sep 2009, 10:47 am

This question is under the erroneous presumption that the sole criterion for a "master race" is an IQ number.

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21 Sep 2009, 11:29 am

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This question is under the erroneous presumption that the sole criterion for a "master race" is an IQ number.

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21 Sep 2009, 11:37 am

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No, no, orwell!! ! Come on with your sources, big boy!

Just in regards to Lynn's book The Bell Curve, you have a piece that Leon Kamin wrote against it in Scientific American in February 1995, as well as an entire book refuting it by Stephen Jay Gould. (I believe another poster has already posted a picture of the book cover, shouldn't be too hard for you to find).

There, you have mainstream sources from respected scientists. Of course, you and codarac will still reject them as biased because they contradict your beliefs.

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21 Sep 2009, 11:51 am

The average IQ in Poland is 108.3 according to some studies.. studies which put the Dutch and German IQ at 109.. So assuming that IQ is the only indicator of a "Master Race"... the untermenschen are only A POINT lower. The slavs.. subhuman scum destined for nothing but slavery and extermination, are in the same area. So how much superiority does a single point in IQ generate?

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21 Sep 2009, 12:04 pm

Stinkypuppy wrote:

This question is under the erroneous presumption that the sole criterion for a "master race" is an IQ number.

Exactly. What, in the opinion of the OP, defines "master race?" Intelligence alone? That would be a foolish notion. One cannot claim superiority based on a novelty IQ test. I happen to have fairly high IQ (139) and yet I find myself inferior in a multitude of ways. My husband is a gifted artist while my 4 year old can draw better than I can. A friend of mine is building a house, mostly by himself, for his family. I can't even change a washer on a faucet. My neighbor cooks every meal from scratch with all organic ingredients. Any meal I attempt make from scratch sends my family running from the table. I learned long ago that my place is on the sidelines when it comes to sports. I have witnessed more compasion from individuals with Down's Syndrome who often seem to have a much better grasp on right vs. wrong than their intellectually "superior" counterparts. Or perhaps some might view superiority by power, or attractiveness, or by communication skills. After all, what good is being smart if no one knows that you are?

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21 Sep 2009, 2:29 pm

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Measure men, not women? topic

Sounds like a good book. One of his that is hard to find at my local library. (I am on a waiting list. :roll:

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21 Sep 2009, 2:49 pm

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Carlofirst wrote:

No, no, orwell!! ! Come on with your sources, big boy!

sartresue wrote:

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Measure men, not women? topic

Sounds like a good book. One of his that is hard to find at my local library. (I am on a waiting list. :roll:

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Women are covered in there too, actually. I think Gould meant more "man" as the idea of encompassing the whole human race.

It's a great book that gives lessons beyond the subject matter.

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21 Sep 2009, 4:51 pm

Strange, four pages and I haven't seen a single link so far.

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