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23 Jan 2010, 3:03 am

They need to support the world's most expensive healthcare system, most expensive higher education system, the world's most expensive army and the world's most extensive social welfare... If they decide to turn socialist...


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23 Jan 2010, 4:10 am

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Profit off deregulation is the norm in America, at least this is better than high 80+% taxes... To support 'Social welfare' that doesn't seem to bring equality in America.

If America wants to have true Scandinavian-like equality, it will have to impose a 90% tax so that it can maintain state and federal budgets on education, health, social security... and, defense around the world. Will the Americans like it? I think America will either tax higher for the overall well-being of the people (also lowering America's innate strength in self-help in the process)... or tax lower to enforce individual responsibility. America is different from other countries, even developed countries; and it should remain the way it is...


Since the taxes in Scandinavia (where I live) do not come anywhere near 90 % for the average citizen I wonder why US taxes would have to approach that percentage.


well your whole country is smaller than the state I live in(Wisconsin) and about 1/60th the size of the entire US while probably spending a micro fraction of what we do on the military, intelligence, security, aid to other countries, and probably everything else.



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23 Jan 2010, 5:22 am

Jacoby wrote:
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Profit off deregulation is the norm in America, at least this is better than high 80+% taxes... To support 'Social welfare' that doesn't seem to bring equality in America.

If America wants to have true Scandinavian-like equality, it will have to impose a 90% tax so that it can maintain state and federal budgets on education, health, social security... and, defense around the world. Will the Americans like it? I think America will either tax higher for the overall well-being of the people (also lowering America's innate strength in self-help in the process)... or tax lower to enforce individual responsibility. America is different from other countries, even developed countries; and it should remain the way it is...


Since the taxes in Scandinavia (where I live) do not come anywhere near 90 % for the average citizen I wonder why US taxes would have to approach that percentage.


well your whole country is smaller than the state I live in(Wisconsin) and about 1/60th the size of the entire US while probably spending a micro fraction of what we do on the military, intelligence, security, aid to other countries, and probably everything else.


Your logic is bad. Medicine here is excellent and readily available and the tax is on a basis that each person is taxed for the needs necessary to treat the whole country. The reason health care is so expensive in the USA is that the pharmaceutical corporations and insurance people are making whopper profits off the citizens who have little legal power to demand proper services and sane pricing and the government is passing legislation bowing to the lobbyists that donate to election funds. It's a total scam. The more people to pay taxes to support the system the more money the health system has to pay for services. The size of the country has nothing to do with it.



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23 Jan 2010, 7:44 am

We know the US healthcare system might be too expensive for its own needs. Has anyone said that it is also the most advanced in the world? There are always trade-offs... For high technology, the US gives up cost-effectiveness for its healthcare system...


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23 Jan 2010, 7:56 am

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We know the US healthcare system might be too expensive for its own needs. Has anyone said that it is also the most advanced in the world? There are always trade-offs... For high technology, the US gives up cost-effectiveness for its healthcare system...


It may be the most advanced for people who can afford to pay but the US is towards the bottom in many aspects of caring for the public in general.
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Rank Country

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait
46 Barbados
47 Thailand
48 Czech Republic
49 Malaysia
50 Poland
51 Dominican Republic
52 Tunisia
53 Jamaica
54 Venezuela
55 Albania
56 Seychelles
57 Paraguay
58 South Korea
59 Senegal
60 Philippines
61 Mexico
62 Slovakia
63 Egypt
64 Kazakhstan
65 Uruguay
66 Hungary
67 Trinidad and Tobago
68 Saint Lucia
69 Belize
70 Turkey
71 Nicaragua
72 Belarus
73 Lithuania
74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
75 Argentina
76 Sri Lanka
77 Estonia
78 Guatemala
79 Ukraine
80 Solomon Islands
81 Algeria
82 Palau
83 Jordan
84 Mauritius
85 Grenada
86 Antigua and Barbuda
87 Libya
88 Bangladesh
89 Macedonia
90 Bosnia-Herzegovina
91 Lebanon
92 Indonesia
93 Iran
94 Bahamas
95 Panama
96 Fiji
97 Benin
98 Nauru
99 Romania
100 Saint Kitts and Nevis
101 Moldova
102 Bulgaria
103 Iraq
104 Armenia
105 Latvia
106 Yugoslavia
107 Cook Islands
108 Syria
109 Azerbaijan
110 Suriname
111 Ecuador
112 India
113 Cape Verde
114 Georgia
115 El Salvador
116 Tonga
117 Uzbekistan
118 Comoros
119 Samoa
120 Yemen
121 Niue
122 Pakistan
123 Micronesia
124 Bhutan
125 Brazil
126 Bolivia
127 Vanuatu
128 Guyana
129 Peru
130 Russia
131 Honduras
132 Burkina Faso
133 Sao Tome and Principe
134 Sudan
135 Ghana
136 Tuvalu
137 Ivory Coast
138 Haiti
139 Gabon
140 Kenya
141 Marshall Islands
142 Kiribati
143 Burundi
144 China
145 Mongolia
146 Gambia
147 Maldives
148 Papua New Guinea
149 Uganda
150 Nepal
151 Kyrgystan
152 Togo
153 Turkmenistan
154 Tajikistan
155 Zimbabwe
156 Tanzania
157 Djibouti
158 Eritrea
159 Madagascar
160 Vietnam
161 Guinea
162 Mauritania
163 Mali
164 Cameroon
165 Laos
166 Congo
167 North Korea
168 Namibia
169 Botswana
170 Niger
171 Equatorial Guinea
172 Rwanda
173 Afghanistan
174 Cambodia
175 South Africa
176 Guinea-Bissau
177 Swaziland
178 Chad
179 Somalia
180 Ethiopia
181 Angola
182 Zambia
183 Lesotho
184 Mozambique
185 Malawi
186 Liberia
187 Nigeria
188 Democratic Republic of the Congo
189 Central African Republic
190 Myanmar



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23 Jan 2010, 8:08 am

Although Singapore is ranked as 6th, it doesn't mean that Singapore's medical resources are effective and advanced... Singapore doesn't really have the resources to treat autism... but the United States and Australia have it... I hope the case of autism is an exception.

Similarly, the same can be said for cancer treatment... and other high-end treatment... As for lower-end ones, the standings might stand.


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23 Jan 2010, 8:37 am

ruennsheng wrote:
Although Singapore is ranked as 6th, it doesn't mean that Singapore's medical resources are effective and advanced... Singapore doesn't really have the resources to treat autism... but the United States and Australia have it... I hope the case of autism is an exception.

Similarly, the same can be said for cancer treatment... and other high-end treatment... As for lower-end ones, the standings might stand.


It's not possible to make a ranking when considering personal specialized problems.



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23 Jan 2010, 8:49 am

^Congratulations for having 7000 insightful posts here on WrongPlanet, Sand! :D

Yeah it's not possible... But I am sure what Singapore cannot treat, we depend on the ideas of the UK and the US...


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23 Jan 2010, 9:07 am

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^Congratulations for having 7000 insightful posts here on WrongPlanet, Sand! :D

Yeah it's not possible... But I am sure what Singapore cannot treat, we depend on the ideas of the UK and the US...


O'm not all so sure they are insightful. That's a lot of blabber.



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23 Jan 2010, 9:37 am

At least the words you wrote makes sense to me. I like them.

Anyway, I will support the new senator no matter what his views are.


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23 Jan 2010, 10:19 am

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At least the words you wrote makes sense to me. I like them.

Anyway, I will support the new senator no matter what his views are.


I usually keep a close eye on a politician before I decide on my feelings on him or her.



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23 Jan 2010, 10:33 am

I will not, simply because he's a GOP guy and who doesn't want to oppose Obama now? I want my tax breaks back, people say...


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23 Jan 2010, 1:48 pm

-puffs chest at seeing France being at the top- <.<



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23 Jan 2010, 1:56 pm

Heh..I had no idea Italy or France were up to par in the quality of healthcare.


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23 Jan 2010, 2:16 pm

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35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America


Interesting that the average Costa Rican will in fact live longer than the average American. Wikipedia Link Though this doesn't appear to be the case in Dominica (which is a flyspeck island in the Carribean, not to be confused with the Dominican Republic.) vs. the US.


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23 Jan 2010, 3:12 pm

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Similarly, the same can be said for cancer treatment... and other high-end treatment... As for lower-end ones, the standings might stand.

That's true. American's have significantly higher cancer survivability than Europe, Canada, etc.

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/second ... nd-canada/

There should be reform but I just don't think it should with new massive government control.