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05 Oct 2010, 2:52 pm

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In other words they need a pacifist cult(or church if you prefer) to counteract the hatred of WBC?


It would be my preference that religion give up the holy ghost, so to speak. The energy wasted on religious pursuit will be better directed elsewhere.


can you prove that or is it just another belief?


Readily.

If people got off their knees on a sunday morning, when to the supermarket and bought some food or supplies and mailed it somewhere like Haiti after the quake, those people would be far ahead compared to the ineffable unctuous prayers aimed their way by supposedly well meaning church goers. One hour and five bucks beats piety any day.


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05 Oct 2010, 7:26 pm

Fuzzy wrote:
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Fuzzy wrote:
ikorack wrote:
In other words they need a pacifist cult(or church if you prefer) to counteract the hatred of WBC?


It would be my preference that religion give up the holy ghost, so to speak. The energy wasted on religious pursuit will be better directed elsewhere.


can you prove that or is it just another belief?


Readily.

If people got off their knees on a sunday morning, when to the supermarket and bought some food or supplies and mailed it somewhere like Haiti after the quake, those people would be far ahead compared to the ineffable unctuous prayers aimed their way by supposedly well meaning church goers. One hour and five bucks beats piety any day.


Many actually do send help. Sadly enough, many others somehow feel that the unfortunate have it coming.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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05 Oct 2010, 7:28 pm

Fuzzy wrote:
ikorack wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
ikorack wrote:
In other words they need a pacifist cult(or church if you prefer) to counteract the hatred of WBC?


It would be my preference that religion give up the holy ghost, so to speak. The energy wasted on religious pursuit will be better directed elsewhere.


can you prove that or is it just another belief?


Readily.

If people got off their knees on a sunday morning, when to the supermarket and bought some food or supplies and mailed it somewhere like Haiti after the quake, those people would be far ahead compared to the ineffable unctuous prayers aimed their way by supposedly well meaning church goers. One hour and five bucks beats piety any day.


and you think the dissolution of religion would suddenly spur people to help others? if these people actually wanted to provide help to the less fortunate they would charity is a Christian virtue and the religion is not stopping them from helping the less fortunate.



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06 Oct 2010, 3:06 am

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and you think the dissolution of religion would suddenly spur people to help others? if these people actually wanted to provide help to the less fortunate they would charity is a Christian virtue and the religion is not stopping them from helping the less fortunate.


There are many generous people who are not Christian and there are many Christians who are not generous.

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06 Oct 2010, 5:32 am

ikorack wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
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Fuzzy wrote:
ikorack wrote:
In other words they need a pacifist cult(or church if you prefer) to counteract the hatred of WBC?


It would be my preference that religion give up the holy ghost, so to speak. The energy wasted on religious pursuit will be better directed elsewhere.


can you prove that or is it just another belief?


Readily.

If people got off their knees on a sunday morning, when to the supermarket and bought some food or supplies and mailed it somewhere like Haiti after the quake, those people would be far ahead compared to the ineffable unctuous prayers aimed their way by supposedly well meaning church goers. One hour and five bucks beats piety any day.


and you think the dissolution of religion would suddenly spur people to help others? if these people actually wanted to provide help to the less fortunate they would charity is a Christian virtue and the religion is not stopping them from helping the less fortunate.


You bet I do.

Religion is about gathering in some expensive expansive holy waste of ground to murmur platitudes and act out eons old OCD mechanisms, while fat cat theocrats elicit funds to support their extravagant and often illicit lifestyles. Show me a religion that eschews community feel good for some community DO good, and I'll show you a religion worth keeping around.

Sure, there are lots of people that do that ALSO, but somehow doing real good doesnt give the pay off that church hour does. Really if doing good were the better pay off, people would say "F going to church! I'm busy helping these people and feeling good about it AND saving my soul through good works."

But somehow it doesnt work like that does it?


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06 Oct 2010, 6:56 am

Fuzzy wrote:
ikorack wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
ikorack wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
ikorack wrote:
In other words they need a pacifist cult(or church if you prefer) to counteract the hatred of WBC?


It would be my preference that religion give up the holy ghost, so to speak. The energy wasted on religious pursuit will be better directed elsewhere.


can you prove that or is it just another belief?


Readily.

If people got off their knees on a sunday morning, when to the supermarket and bought some food or supplies and mailed it somewhere like Haiti after the quake, those people would be far ahead compared to the ineffable unctuous prayers aimed their way by supposedly well meaning church goers. One hour and five bucks beats piety any day.


and you think the dissolution of religion would suddenly spur people to help others? if these people actually wanted to provide help to the less fortunate they would charity is a Christian virtue and the religion is not stopping them from helping the less fortunate.


You bet I do.

Religion is about gathering in some expensive expansive holy waste of ground to murmur platitudes and act out eons old OCD mechanisms, while fat cat theocrats elicit funds to support their extravagant and often illicit lifestyles. Show me a religion that eschews community feel good for some community DO good, and I'll show you a religion worth keeping around.

Sure, there are lots of people that do that ALSO, but somehow doing real good doesnt give the pay off that church hour does. Really if doing good were the better pay off, people would say "F going to church! I'm busy helping these people and feeling good about it AND saving my soul through good works."

But somehow it doesnt work like that does it?

I believe missionairies have converted more people than hatred ever did. Wish more people knew that.



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06 Oct 2010, 7:57 am

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I believe missionairies have converted more people than hatred ever did. Wish more people knew that.


It might be said that missionaries often converted people through fear and hatred.The indian residential schools in Canada are a prime example.


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06 Oct 2010, 12:34 pm

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I believe missionairies have converted more people than hatred ever did. Wish more people knew that.


It might be said that missionaries often converted people through fear and hatred.The indian residential schools in Canada are a prime example.


In all fairness, my pastor had started off as a missionary in Nigeria, where he had had success in conversion and social work through hope, rather than fear or hatred. Far more success, might I add, that had been gained by the British missionaries in colonial times who had once ruled Nigeria through "fear and hatred."

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06 Oct 2010, 3:17 pm

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I believe missionairies have converted more people than hatred ever did. Wish more people knew that.


It might be said that missionaries often converted people through fear and hatred.The indian residential schools in Canada are a prime example.


In all fairness, my pastor had started off as a missionary in Nigeria, where he had had success in conversion and social work through hope, rather than fear or hatred. Far more success, might I add, that had been gained by the British missionaries in colonial times who had once ruled Nigeria through "fear and hatred."

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


He sounds like a decent human being.


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06 Oct 2010, 3:28 pm

A lot of people talk about how god hates gays but almost nobody talks about how he hates children.
Revelations 2:23
"And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works."
2 Kings 2:23 and 2:24
"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them."
Jeremiah 2:30
"In vain have I smitten your children; they received no correction: your own sword hath devoured your prophets, like a destroying lion."

Knock it off God! They're just kids! :(


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06 Oct 2010, 5:32 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
A lot of people talk about how god hates gays but almost nobody talks about how he hates children.
Revelations 2:23
"And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works."
2 Kings 2:23 and 2:24
"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them."
Jeremiah 2:30
"In vain have I smitten your children; they received no correction: your own sword hath devoured your prophets, like a destroying lion."

Knock it off God! They're just kids! :(



wow, whoever the "I" is from those quotes sure sounds like a douche.


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08 Oct 2010, 10:25 am

Does god hate Americans? topic

If so, then he hates members of the WBC.

I personally think if there is a god, then he is Gay. Something else for the WBC to think about.

But if this WBC is full of atheists, I will become religious. :P


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09 Oct 2010, 7:31 am

In more enlightened days America had a legal defense called "fighting words"

In other words if a man came up to you and called your wife a whore and said that your mother was a pig then you were fully justified if you beat him to a pulp.

To abuse a man in public is not "free speech" it is a deadly insult and our ancestors would have pulled out their guns, knives or swords on the spot.



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09 Oct 2010, 1:54 pm

not that long ago, a person could be acquitted of murder in texas if he could convince the court that the human killed......just flat needed killing.

ah, the good old days.



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10 Oct 2010, 12:59 am

One great thing about Westboro Baptist Church is their ability to unite both Left and Right in a unanimous disgust: the Left because of their "God hates fags" rhetoric and the Right for the gloating in the death of U.S. soldiers (although let's be honest: gloating over another's death isn't going to fly on the Left either). While I acknowledge their basic First Amendment rights, I also exercise my right to register my disagreement and also contempt.

Although I lack familiarity with the cases and precedents, I see a funeral as a private affair and obviously one very sensitive to the family and friends of the bereaved. There is good reason to keep protesters out of a funeral; on the other hand, if they are merely in the vicinity of the funeral or funeral procession, they may be within their rights even if they are starkly outside human decency. There is a slippery slope from banning protesters from the vicinity of a funeral because the scope could later be expanded to other "solemn" occasions.



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10 Oct 2010, 1:46 am

Let's face it. If every time the scum from the Westboro Baptist Church went out to disturb some veteran's funeral they all went home with black eyes and missing a few teeth then they might learn some respect and some manners.