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23 Oct 2010, 1:58 am

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if you're a professional welfare queen leeching off Medicaid, Food Stamps and welfare I do have a problem.

are you an equal-opportunity hater of the welfare kings as well? [IOW corporate ripoff artists]

But leeching welfare queen sounds so much worse than corporate tax loophole. Let's go after the folks living it up in the projects, but leave the vacationing jet-setters alone!

Them too I have equal hate for. It's time for businesses to pay their fair share and for government to NOT bailout private enterprise. The reason why Herr Obama bailed out GM and Chrysler is because the UAW gave his campaign millions. The bank bailouts is because Biden hails from Delaware, a state that is business friendly - and many businesses have their corporate charters there - yes, Bank of America/Chase/WaMu/Wells Fargo/Lehman Brothers, etc are charted in Delaware. I think businesses need to move away from the shareholder theory onto the stakeholder and social responsiblity theory.

The Chinese, Indians and Russians should have bought out GM and Chrysler and put them out of their misery.

It's easy to hate the TARP and corporate welfare going on pure emotion, but you still have to realize that the rest of the country had a whole lot more to lose than the owners of those companies if they all went completely under. The bank owners essentially hold the entire country/world by the balls. If they all decide to stop loaning at once everyone is SOL. Everyone except the CEOs of the banks who can run off with their bonuses and watch everything else burn. OTOH, if the government decided to let everyone on welfare to f*** off and die in the streets nothing much would happen, well maybe there'd be a few riots, but not much other than that. Wonderful world we live in aint it?

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23 Oct 2010, 3:13 am

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if the government decided to let everyone on welfare to f*** off and die in the streets nothing much would happen, well maybe there'd be a few riots, but not much other than that. Wonderful world we live in aint it?

wonderful for the right wing, hell on earth for everybody else.

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23 Oct 2010, 12:44 pm

nthach wrote:

number5 wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

nthach wrote:

if you're a professional welfare queen leeching off Medicaid, Food Stamps and welfare I do have a problem.

are you an equal-opportunity hater of the welfare kings as well? [IOW corporate ripoff artists]

But leeching welfare queen sounds so much worse than corporate tax loophole. Let's go after the folks living it up in the projects, but leave the vacationing jet-setters alone!

The auto bailout that was done on Obama's watch was actually a smart move. We didn't just hand them a bunch of cash and say "here" (like Bush did - money we'll never see again). Instead, Americans became part owners and it looks like GM is making a pretty nice comeback. We'll likely see every cent returned, and possibly more.

The bank bailout is another story. The whole thing would have sat a lot better with me IFF we attatched significant reform to ensure that the risky, gambling with other people's money crap would end. We didn't and wall street is back in business while the rest of us are still in the thick of a recession.

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23 Oct 2010, 4:29 pm

number5 wrote:

nthach wrote:

number5 wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

nthach wrote:

if you're a professional welfare queen leeching off Medicaid, Food Stamps and welfare I do have a problem.

are you an equal-opportunity hater of the welfare kings as well? [IOW corporate ripoff artists]

But leeching welfare queen sounds so much worse than corporate tax loophole. Let's go after the folks living it up in the projects, but leave the vacationing jet-setters alone!

I still think GM won't change, ditto for Chrysler. Ford's making some amazing progress OTOH. Chrysler still hasn't learned the lesson from their past bailout in the 1980s - the only things that saved them were Lee Iacocca and Mitsubishi. Chrysler tends to make "fad" cars. Toyota and Honda stole their thunder in minivans in the 1990s. They have quite a few one-hit wonders like the Neon/PT Cruiser, Charger/Challenger/300, and the Viper. The 300/Charger/Challenger were out just before the recession began to fully kick in - and since they are big, heavy and had the option of a Hemi they were thirsty. GM's in shape now, but as soon as the government releases their interest in GM, they'll go right back to making more SUVs. GM makes more money off SUVs since you can outsource many components on an SUV/truck to an outside supplier and all GM has to do is assemble them in their plants.

As for the banks, I feel we need some control in the banking industry - more specifically in credit. Tighter controls on home loans and an outright ban on predatory lending such as ARMs and payday loans/rent to own which swallow the poor whole.

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23 Oct 2010, 4:35 pm

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OTOH, if the government decided to let everyone on welfare to f*** off and die in the streets nothing much would happen, well maybe there'd be a few riots, but not much other than that. Wonderful world we live in aint it?

Work for welfare. If you're convicted of a crime, no welfare check for you. Tighter controls on EBT cards and food stamps on what you can buy and where you can transact your business at. I also think charity needs to get involved more for the poor.

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25 Oct 2010, 5:10 pm

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Dennis Kucinich has his head screwed on right.

And probably gets his screw on right too:

Every time I see Dennis Kucinich I lose a bit more respect for the Mafia; I mean if they couldn't whack him back in the 70's, what are they good for? :lol:

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26 Oct 2010, 7:46 pm

^

If that cartoon is aimed at me, all I was doing was making fun of DK for being a sawed off little milquetoast hypocrite, not actually wishing any violence upon him.

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26 Oct 2010, 8:00 pm

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Dennis Kucinich has his head screwed on right.

And probably gets his screw on right too:

That is truly one of life's great mysteries right there. :lol:

Kucinich gives hope to weird elf like men everywhere.

Speaking of Kucinich, he's actually suppose to be in a competitive race right now. The district he represents isn't exactly the most liberal district and he only won like 57% of the vote in 08.

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26 Oct 2010, 10:47 pm

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That is truly one of life's great mysteries right there. :lol:

Kucinich gives hope to weird elf like men everywhere.

he may not seem like a prime male specimen to you, but he is all alpha male.

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27 Oct 2010, 12:42 am

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^

If that cartoon is aimed at me, all I was doing was making fun of DK for being a sawed off little milquetoast hypocrite, not actually wishing any violence upon him.

No, it's posted in the spirit of the original post of this thread: that the democrats are basically doing everything possible to appear conservative so that they lose.

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27 Oct 2010, 12:45 am

It's insane, a guy who was busted as a frequenter of whores is going to win the senate seat here because the democrat wants to play as if he's a conservative.

And while I think prostitution should be legal, I also think it says a lot about a guy psychologically that he'd be getting whores while he has a wife and two daughters. Says a lot about what he wants out of life: power over others. His whore needs aren't necessarily the sex and giggles from it, it's the power of being able to pay someone to have to have sex with him. I'm sure the sex was boring, too...because he had already psychologically gotten off when arranged to pay to have her.

And everyone here's voting for him because they don't want the other guy to win and they're too fuckall stupid to vote for one of the third party candidates.

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27 Oct 2010, 12:51 am

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No, it's posted in the spirit of the original post of this thread: that the democrats are basically doing everything possible to appear conservative so that they lose.

That occurred to me later, I just saw an admittedly funny comic about shooting at the president immediately following my joking about the Cleveland Mob's incompetence in hitting Dennis Kucinich and had to wonder...

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27 Oct 2010, 12:51 am

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the democrats are basically doing everything possible to appear conservative so that they lose.

60 years ago, president harry s. truman observed that [paraphrased] when given a choice between a democrat who acts like a republican versus a real republican, the american votor will cast their lot with the latter choice every time. this bodes ill for this november.

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27 Oct 2010, 12:59 am

What does acting like a Democrat mean? Does that mean liberal/progressive?

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27 Oct 2010, 1:02 am

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What does acting like a Democrat mean? Does that mean liberal/progressive?

yes. the days of the liberal republican went away with DOS.

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