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10 Nov 2010, 1:14 am

Obamacare is a piece of garbage that should be scrapped. I want Health Care Reform, Obamacare is a piece of garbage that the Republicans were right to oppose.

It wasn't a Half a Loaf as to why Obama supported it, he didn't want it to drag on because the American people were getting angrier and angrier as they found out what was in it. Well fact is the people didn't forget.

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10 Nov 2010, 2:29 am

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I want Health Care Reform, Obamacare is a piece of garbage that the Republicans were right to oppose.

i don't believe you are really interested in health care reform, otherwise you'd stop touting repubs as the ultimate solution to everything, when in fact they've been in the business of opposing health care reform for the better part of a century now. any expansion of health service to the working poor would only cut into their oh-so-precious obscene profits.

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It wasn't a Half a Loaf as to why Obama supported it, he didn't want it to drag on because the American people were getting angrier and angrier as they found out what was in it. Well fact is the people didn't forget.

i am being misunderstood, and you are augmenting my misunderstoodhood. don't say "the american people" are opposed to health care reform because i am an american person also who very much wants health care reform, or more precisely, health care financing reform. i really don't give a damn about the specifics, just as long as i can see a god-forsaken medico when i get sick, instead of having to suffer or die untreated on pain of bankruptcy. i wouldn't wish lifetime financial ruin on my worst enemy, but that is precisely what punitive repubs seem so eager to visit upon their socio-economic inferiors.

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10 Nov 2010, 2:57 am

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you would think differently if you were poor with no prospects for improvement.

Medicare works just as badly for poor people as for rich people.

Do you think that no care at all would word work better than Medicare for poor people?

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10 Nov 2010, 3:30 am

The conservative outlook is that poor people are poor because they are stupid and lazy and well off people cannot accept supporting dumb poor people. Anybody, under their outlook, can work hard and become rich so they are not responsible. It's every man for himself and the devil take the hindmost.

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10 Nov 2010, 3:48 am

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Not exactly true, but fairly close. It is an outlook many would find unpleasant, but it is not illegal nor is it immoral. As long as no rights are infringed. No one has a right to be employed or to be fed or to be cured of disease or to be treated medically. If such rights existed then there would be a law which forces even the unwilling to provide these services (or things) to the needy. Question: does someone's need constitute an obligation on another to fulfill or satisfy that need. Excluding the case of dependent children, I would say no. You might say otherwise.

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10 Nov 2010, 4:04 am

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Survival of the fittest. And the proof is that the fittest survive. I can't imagine why Stephen Hawking is kept alive.

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10 Nov 2010, 4:06 am

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Survival of the fittest. And the proof is that the fittest survive. I can't imagine why Stephen Hawking is kept alive.

He pays for his wheel chair by creating new physics and teaching physics at Cambridge. In fact he holds the same professorial chair as did Isaac Newton.

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10 Nov 2010, 4:08 am

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Survival of the fittest. And the proof is that the fittest survive. I can't imagine why Stephen Hawking is kept alive.

He pays for his wheel chair by creating new physics and teaching physics at Cambridge. In fact he holds the same professorial chair as did Isaac Newton.

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And all those other idiots with fatal diseases should be left to die.

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10 Nov 2010, 4:09 am

Sand wrote:

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Sand wrote:

Survival of the fittest. And the proof is that the fittest survive. I can't imagine why Stephen Hawking is kept alive.

He pays for his wheel chair by creating new physics and teaching physics at Cambridge. In fact he holds the same professorial chair as did Isaac Newton.

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And all those other idiots with fatal diseases should be left to die.

Not if they have something valuable to offer. If the folks at Cambridge thing Hawkings is worth keeping alive, so be it. If you can pay, you can stay.

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10 Nov 2010, 6:50 am

ruveyn wrote:

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ruveyn wrote:

Sand wrote:

Survival of the fittest. And the proof is that the fittest survive. I can't imagine why Stephen Hawking is kept alive.

He pays for his wheel chair by creating new physics and teaching physics at Cambridge. In fact he holds the same professorial chair as did Isaac Newton.

ruveyn

And all those other idiots with fatal diseases should be left to die.

Not if they have something valuable to offer. If the folks at Cambridge thing Hawkings is worth keeping alive, so be it. If you can pay, you can stay.

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Therefore monetary wealth is your highest ideal.

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10 Nov 2010, 9:12 am

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Medicare works just as badly for poor people as for rich people.

Do you think that no care at all would word work better than Medicare for poor people? :x

No one of any major party is talking about eliminating medicare or changing it not to cover poor people. Cutting costs in a way that improves the health of the people it covers, for example by eliminating Bush's changes as alluded to in my post, would help everyone on medicare, including the poor people.

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10 Nov 2010, 9:59 am

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my savings were lost in bad investments, as i am no match for crooked genius wallstreeters.

Sounds like some would say you were a rich capitalist who got what he deserved, if you had enough to lose in bad investments.

If you can put together words on a computer screen, though, there are growing numbers of jobs that involve interaction primarily with computers rather than humans - medical coding, for example.

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the repubs keep repeating their nonsense panacea about restricting malpractice lawsuits, which won't help me one iota.

So it's all about you? Malpractice insurance now is typically a half of what the doctor actually gets, and most of that goes to line the pockets of shyster lawyers who get outsize hundred million dollar settlements while most people who get bad medical care go begging. Limiting settlements to actual damages would reduce the insurance costs for the vast majority of people, even if it doesn't help you specifically. But in fact, it would also take some of the financial pressure off hospitals, who might find that they can then afford to hire people like you.

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10 Nov 2010, 10:05 am

Of course medicare and medicaid have their own share of problems, but let's not put private insurance up on a pedastal either. The premiums and copays are at absurd levels. Even with private insurance, one could easily not be able to afford a simple sick visit. It's nice that more doctors accept private insurance, but when a family shells out $400, $600, sometimes $1000/month just for the premiums, then it's entirely possible that they can't swing the $50 copay, or even $500 copay for emergency (yes - 500).

And remind me again why health insurance should at all be tied to employment?

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10 Nov 2010, 2:20 pm

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Is that a threat? The unruly mob can be mowed down by machine gun fire.

a wise person would recognize that [desperate hordes] as a threatening eventuality, and no amount of machine guns can mow down all of us starving "useless eaters", and no amount of concentration camps can eliminate us all. there will always be more and more and more. how far would you be willing to go to get rid of us losers? you [of all people] must know how this looks. such coldbloodedness is disquieting.

Usually the poor and starving "losers" alone are not violent. However, when the situation gets bad enough there will always be political opportunists who will be willing to use the desperate starving underclass to do their bidding. All the opportunists have to do is offer the "loser" class something marginally better than the status-quo. A banana republic with no social safety net will always be prone to Marxist takeovers. It's really an unavoidable reality that violence will ensue.

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10 Nov 2010, 2:24 pm

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"useless eaters"

Only a fool believes that idiotic conspiracy.

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10 Nov 2010, 2:42 pm

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Sand wrote:

Not exactly true, but fairly close. It is an outlook many would find unpleasant, but it is not illegal nor is it immoral. As long as no rights are infringed. No one has a right to be employed or to be fed or to be cured of disease or to be treated medically. If such rights existed then there would be a law which forces even the unwilling to provide these services (or things) to the needy. Question: does someone's need constitute an obligation on another to fulfill or satisfy that need. Excluding the case of dependent children, I would say no. You might say otherwise.

You would feel different if the shoe was on the other foot. You've been too lucky in this life, but every person has their breaking point. You think you are strong and invincible now, but wait until you feel the weight of the boot coming down on your own neck. Maybe you'd beg for a bullet.

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