Since liberals "want to destroy the world"...
Simple (from a far-rightwinger's perspective) - they're "wrong" for focusing an institutional analysis rather than spewing out some paranod, hyper-personal, perspective of the world where George Soros gives money to various organizations with the plot of "destroying FREEDOM"! !! !
Honestly, Inuvaysha's claim that George Soros brought down governments is pretty funny, as many of those government destroying efforts were funding democratic organizations to oppose Communist rule in Eastern European countries.
Which bags the question, is Inuvasyha's (and Beck's) crusade against George Soros an indication that they're agents of the Communist International seeking to neutralize one of the most effective anti-Communists of the past thirty years?
I don't view all liberals as enemies, I just view they need to be shown by presenting facts that they are wrong. There are some liberals that are the enemy but most are just people that are misinformed.
In what instance do you see liberals as "wrong"?
Most of the time.
@ Master_Pedant
Do you even know whom George Soros is?
For starters he was convicted of insider trading if I remember correctly.
Furthermore, he is an anticapitalist, so before you make wisecracks about me in the future, I'd advise you to make sure you have your facts straight.
Leftists sometimes like to try and run off a conservative by saying something like, "Just reciting and regurgitating those same Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh lines verbatum, aren't you?"
I've never seen a conservative poster attempt to accuse a liberal of being a mouthpiece by suggesting that he is just spewing out the exact lines of some leftist demagogue, like Michael Moore.
Why do liberals think every conservative is just some Glenn Beck or Fox News Clonedrone who just comes on a forum and spews out inculcated right-wing propaganda? Its almost as annoying as the racist labeling situations. Its like we really suck in Fox News religiously every night and are so brainwiped and zealous that we just have to go regurgitate it on a forum, so we can see it in print for our own edification.
When do leftists ever get charged with being Michael Moore et. al sycophants?
Do you even know whom George Soros is?
Yes, he's a billionaire financial speculator who has donated tremednously to anti-Communist movements in Eastern Europe and anti-Republican organizations in America.
That's a red herring.
Furthermore, insider trading laws in Europe are a lot broader & toughter in Europe than America. Were he in America, he probably wouldn't have been convicted.
Finally, insider trading really is common practice.
Oh, I almost forgot, it's also being challenged:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68E61Y20100915
Wrong, wrong, W-R-O-N-G.
Open Season on 'Open Society'
Why an anti-communist Holocaust survivor is being demonized as a Socialist, Self-hating Jew
Until very recently, you could place most of Soros' fiercest critics in categories marked "paranoid" and "anti-democratic." In 1990s Central Europe, where he and his various organizations were ubiquitous presences (at least in the cosmopolitan capital cities), reaction to Soros was a useful if crude indicator of a politician's basic orientation. Vaclav Klaus' messy early-1990s rejection of Soros' plans to locate his independent Central European University in Prague was an important early omen that the West's favorite post-communist free marketeer would have an icy attitude toward Burke's "Little Platoons", should said platoons look large enough to threaten Klaus' own hold on power. Open Society Institutes were forcibly shut down by the thuggish governments of Yugoslavia, Croatia and Belarus, and singled out for abuse by brutish former Slovakia Prime Minister Vladimir Meciar.
But now, Slavic autocrats have been joined in red-faced George-bashing by two new overlapping groups: American conservatives, and hawkish friends of Israel. Ever since Soros began ladling out millions to the dump-Bush campaign, while larding his anti-administration rhetoric with inflammatory comparisons to Nazi Germany and Yasser Arafat, it has been open season on Open Society. Thus we now have the spectacle of one of the world's most active and influential anti-communists (not to mention one of its most successful capitalists) being tarred as a particularly dangerous friend of Marx and Lenin.
...
Soros is at turns a fascinating and infuriating man, eminently ripe for the criticizing (here's a Reason example from last March), especially now that he's thrust himself at the forefront of the 2004 presidential election. But he's neither socialist nor shylock, and calling him so reveals more about the prejudices of the speaker than the faults of the man.
http://reason.com/archives/2003/12/08/o ... en-society
I reccomend you check Soros's record (and that of the Open Society Foundation) in leading the way in the campaign against State Socialism in Eastern Europe. You're Crypto-Communist urges to undermine on of the most successful anti-Communists of the last thirty years really need a bit more realism in them.
For starters he was convicted of insider trading if I remember correctly.
Furthermore, he is an anticapitalist, so before you make wisecracks about me in the future, I'd advise you to make sure you have your facts straight.
People who are anti-anarcho-capitalism are not anti-freedom. Have you ever considered the fact that capitalism on a global scale isn't all benign? If humanity is marching towards a global crisis maybe all options should be put on the table, even the dreaded "S" word.
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^ I didn't see it. Must have missed it. Mabye u can find it and link it?
I'm know it happens from time to time but it goes much more frequently in the other direction from Liberals to Conservatives.
But mabye that's just because there are a few more high-profile Conservative blowhards in the American media. I don't know. Unfortunately for the right, guys like Beck and Rush are easy targets for lampooning.
Accusing a liberal of mouthing Kucinich or Chomsky just doesn't have the same ring as it does with a ham-fister like Rush.
@Master_Pedant
Open Society also has ties to wikileaks.
Anyways George Soros is part of the one world government crowd.
It's open to debate as to what Soros' motives are but if he really wants nothing to do with socialists he needs to hire better accountants and look into where his money is being spent.
Who else came to NPR’s defense after critics called for radio company’s defunding for dropping Williams? New America Media had a spirited take on the issue, saying NPR should have canned the long-time contributor years ago. NAM also says — in its “about” section — that it wishes to thank the generous contributions of several groups, including the Open Society Institute.
http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/09/nprs- ... anization/
Did you mean that Open Society Institute.
Funded heavily by George Soros through his Open Society Institute, ACORN has followed a three-point strategy that James Simpson described as follows:
Register as many Democratic voters as possible, legal or otherwise, and help them vote, multiple times if possible.
Overwhelm the system with fraudulent registrations using multiple entries of the same name, names of deceased, random names from the phone book, even contrived names.
Make the system difficult to police by lobbying for minimal identification standards required of voters arriving at polling stations to vote.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=97956
Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN): $150,000 to help rebuild ACORN’s national and New Orleans-based operations and to organize low- and moderate-income Katrina survivors to advocate for transparency, direct support on housing issues, consumer protections, and monitoring voting rights.
http://www.soros.org/initiatives/usprog ... a_20060524
Yes I actually used his own website to confirm this.
On Sunday, NPR CEO and President Vivian Schiller said she takes the threats to defund NPR “very seriously.” So too, it seems, does Soros, who gave NPR a $1.8 million donation in October and whose Open Society Institute has given money to many of the organizations that have offered a highly-publicized defense of the radio giant.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailycaller/201 ... nization_1
Yahoo it seems considers Daily Caller legit.
Anyways if Glenn Beck is wrong about this and just some chapters of Open Society are misusing Mr. Soros money, then I'm sure Beck would be more than happy to let Soros explain what happened and the fact he's going after the people that were embezzling his money to fund groups like ACORN.
Interesting read not related to Soros
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11 ... -disabled/
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/obama-v ... /id/325456
Back to Soros:
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/10/29/ac ... f-the-day/
The diagram is of interest I know she is right wing.
The New Party’s biggest wins in the country were in Chicago, including Obama’s victory in his 1996 run for the Illinois Senate. Chicago’s New Party was formed around two core elements, ACORN and the SEIU’s local 880. SEIU 880 was itself an ACORN offshoot.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-acor ... -way-back/
Another right wing source not tied to Soros from a quick glance but it has something of interest.
George Soros is a very evil man and has perfected the economic deconstruction of nations, which he learned firsthand as a child in Nazi-controlled Hungary and later throughout Communist-controlled Eastern Europe – except Soros needs no bullets for his revolution; he has a much more treacherous and inconspicuous weapon: money and propaganda.
Because George Soros is an atheist, he has no allusions about a heaven beyond the grave. Therefore, like most socialists, progressives, Darwinists and atheists, he is trying to establish a utopian society here on earth – a one-world centralized government without borders, religion or culture, one currency, one language and one puppet master to pull the strings of the useful idiots in power … while controlling the world from beyond the shadows.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=230489
The foundations that give to ACORN & Co. vary widely. There are some classically liberal ones: The Bauman Family Foundation gave $350,000 to ACORN's American Institute for Social Justice. George Soros' Open Society Institute gave $300,000 to that institute and $250,000 to ACORN proper. The Charles Stewart Mott Foundation gave the institute $1.8 million.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/secretmoney/20 ... y_bra.html
The 527 organization Fund for America was set up last year by top liberal donors and operatives to help fund pro-Democratic organizations this election season, but it ended up folding. The Fund, itself bankrolled by George Soros and others, gave $200,000 to ACORN.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/secretmoney/20 ... y_bra.html
Master_Pedant, I'm not even trying here I'm just picking stuff from a google search. Either Soros needs to keep better track of his money which is possible, or he is involved.
I have no problems whatsoever with any of the reform-liberal or social democratic organizations (with the exception of ACORN, which was careless enough to become a victim of employee fraud) Soros's money has reached (none of them were socialist, by the way). Indeed, I'd give money to any of them in support of their fine work.
And, given the state of globalization, supporting global governance is the only sane thing to do.
I've never seen a conservative poster attempt to accuse a liberal of being a mouthpiece by suggesting that he is just spewing out the exact lines of some leftist demagogue, like Michael Moore.
Why do liberals think every conservative is just some Glenn Beck or Fox News Clonedrone who just comes on a forum and spews out inculcated right-wing propaganda? Its almost as annoying as the racist labeling situations. Its like we really suck in Fox News religiously every night and are so brainwiped and zealous that we just have to go regurgitate it on a forum, so we can see it in print for our own edification.
When do leftists ever get charged with being Michael Moore et. al sycophants?
The problem with rightists like Inuyasha is all they do is link and quote. They don't actually defend the core of their philosophy. They just post one anecdote after another attacking and smearing the other side. Then if you make a counter-argument to one of their copy-and-paste arguments they merely move on to another. It's beyond tedious.
Great. All the more reason to support them.
"One-world government" is a paranoid paleoconservative fantasy. And if Soros was in favor of a one-world government, what exactly is wrong with that in principle? Obviously it would depend on the nature of the government in question, but I don't see any plausible reason why a one-world government would necessarily be fundamentally evil.
Let's see these "socialist" links he has then.
Who else came to NPR’s defense after critics called for radio company’s defunding for dropping Williams? New America Media had a spirited take on the issue, saying NPR should have canned the long-time contributor years ago. NAM also says — in its “about” section — that it wishes to thank the generous contributions of several groups, including the Open Society Institute.
NPR socialist? Don't make me laugh. NPR is rigidly politically correct center-left and mind-numbingly dull.
Register as many Democratic voters as possible, legal or otherwise, and help them vote, multiple times if possible.
Overwhelm the system with fraudulent registrations using multiple entries of the same name, names of deceased, random names from the phone book, even contrived names.
Make the system difficult to police by lobbying for minimal identification standards required of voters arriving at polling stations to vote.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=97956
Find an unbiased source. ACORN is not socialist; supporting Democratic candidates is not socialist, voter fraud is not socialist, and there is not sufficient proof to claim ACORN was engaging in voter fraud.
George Soros is a very evil man and has perfected the economic deconstruction of nations, which he learned firsthand as a child in Nazi-controlled Hungary and later throughout Communist-controlled Eastern Europe – except Soros needs no bullets for his revolution; he has a much more treacherous and inconspicuous weapon: money and propaganda.
Because George Soros is an atheist, he has no allusions about a heaven beyond the grave. Therefore, like most socialists, progressives, Darwinists and atheists, he is trying to establish a utopian society here on earth – a one-world centralized government without borders, religion or culture, one currency, one language and one puppet master to pull the strings of the useful idiots in power … while controlling the world from beyond the shadows.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=230489
Paranoid raving. Find a source other than WND. Once they are trying to link someone to Nazism, Communism, Socialism, Progressivism, Atheism, and Darwinism all at once, you know your source is full of crap. (Hint: Nazism and Communism are opposing ideologies, Socialists despise Progressives, and Darwinism isn't an actual meaningful ideology, certainly not in the political sense)
So all you have is that Soros has donated money to NPR and ACORN? That does not make him a socialist.
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I know NPR has gone to some pretty extreme lengths to limit Chomsky's time on the station, but I don't really listen to them that often as I'm a canuck and never particularly liked Talk Radio. How does NPR compare to SIRIUS Left?
Uh look up where their hq was. Why were all those organizations operating out of a funeral home?
http://www.nopc.info/forum/showthread.p ... 573&page=6
Ever consider that this may have been done to force globalization, and get this globalization one world government in this day and age is probably going to be a dictatorship.
@ Orwell
You neglect the fact some of my other sources came from George Soros' own web page which corroborates what the right wing sources as you call them are saying. In short, just cause they don't agree with you doesn't mean they aren't telling the truth.
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