$11,000,000 Christmas Tree (2010)

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I wonder how long it'll take Dox47 to realize that his attempts to "teach people lessons" by doing to them what he preceives (through his ideologically tinted glasses) to be "equivalent" ends up pissing people off more than actually teaching people lessons.

You're one to talk about ideologically tinted glasses; you call conservatives "con artists" EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Ditto "Tea Partisans" or "ultra" conservatives, though I haven't seen you using the later quite so often lately.
You don't even have a dog in this fight, I'm attacking a terrible attitude coupled to a nasty tendency to make assumptions, not any particular ideology. I mean your personal animosity / unhealthy fixation towards me is well documented and all, but I thought you'd been doing better on that lately; is this a relapse?
I could always re-post some of my better posts detailing your extreme bias and manipulative rhetorical techniques among other sins, those do tend to chase you off the board for a while whenever I drop them. I'd write new ones, but the impact is better when people can see the time stamp and realize just how accurately I pegged you the first time.

Do you really think that no one else has noticed that the very things you accuse me of are the things you're most guilty of yourself?

as i said, i know when people are being hostile to me. people in general who think it is good to kill social programs ["starving the beast"] are doing me no good. when somebody is trying to make my life harder [via punitive conservative "limited government"], i will squeal long and loud about it, and will pay no respect to anybody who would tell me i should just "get with the program." implying that i have no right to complain about such, also fails to qualify as anything other than meanness, AFAIC. but what really gets me goat, are people who are so arrogant as to believe "it [personal misfortune or failure] could never happen to them."

enjoy your brain power now, as you won't always have it.

Obviously you don't know, I'm not being hostile to you personally but I am hostile to your negativity. Others here have dispassionately explained their political positions and their reasons for them, only to be personally attacked by you.

What you're doing is classically Aspie, but that doesn't make it correct. What I'm referring to is black or white thinking, in this case you feel people EITHER care about helping you and the less fortunate in general by unconditionally supporting government social programs OR they are heartless bastards for wanting to reduce or cut them, no gray areas. Certainly some people really are just concerned with the monetary aspect and don't care about the human impact of cutting social programs, but there are also people who think it's a greater evil to foster dependence by having overly generous welfare programs that discourage working. They're not evil, they just have a different philosophy than you on social policy, and you need to recognize that if you're going to argue effectively, otherwise you come off as a zealot or just bitter.

As far as my brain power goes, other than my own intellectual enrichment I can't say it's done that much for me monetarily, it's certainly prevented me from enjoying school or work because of my inability to tolerate busywork and office politics. I honestly like working with my hands, I derive infinite pleasure from tossing a perfect pizza or executing a seamless TIG weld; I save my intellect for my private life.

Not that it really matters or anything, but I do happen to have founded and currently run a socializing and support group for other Aspies in my area at my own time and expense. I also want smaller government. That doesn't really jibe with your characterization of people with my political beliefs now, does it?

Do you believe that other people should be compelled to fulfill your needs by violent means or threat to their physical well being or liberty? Do you believe other people should be enslaved to your needs? If other people are free to help or not help you, where is there a place for force and compulsion in this?

ruveyn

Last edited by ruveyn on 24 Dec 2010, 1:17 am, edited 1 time in total.

that's right, keep calling me a thug that would rob you and others. i have not robbed anybody, and you are only imagining that i have. i don't call you a thief for collecting your social security and medicare, so pay me the same courtesy. i only want what the civilized countries [the commonwealth, the rest of europe, japan, et al] have in terms of social programs for ALL their citizens. wanting that does NOT equal theft or robbery or thuggery, despite what you keep saying to the contrary.

i do not personally attack PEOPLE- i have occasional dispute with a few of the things they SAY. if somebody says something which is cruel or arrogant regarding me or my class, i will have a word or two to say about said statements, but when have i attacked the PERSONHOOD of anybody here? taking issue with mean words is not the same as attacking the person who said them. i have never called you or anybody else here any mean names. i have only referred to the statements of some posters here as being mean statements that i found to be disagreeable, for various reasons. disagreeing with somebody is NOT the same as attacking them.



put yourself in joe shmoe's shoes for a bit- if a [government] policy or lack of policy hurt you, would you not see the perpetrator of such as an evil of some kind? if you are cut, do you not bleed? if you were in a drowning pool and floundering, would you not take umbrage at a "well-meaning" bystander who, instead of throwing you a lifevest, just lectured you on your lack of good judgment? people who are opposed to the very principle of government social programs to me, are the equivalent of the lecturing busybody aside the drowning pool. our nation's present health care non-system is a drowning pool for the working-poor. when a health care practitioner lectured me on my bad life "choices" [his thoughtless choice of words] that led me to not being able to afford exorbitantly-priced [american] health insurance, i had to add him to the pantheon of evil ones. it was all i could do to restrain myself from giving him more than a piece of my mind- the sheer arrogance of that guy!

you use the word "dependence" and you are right, there are people who depend on social programs because they simply lack the wherwithal to do otherwise. no amount of morally superior lecturing or fuzzbusting optimistic-think are going to effect any positive change with such folk. i never qualified for medicare because i had various [federal minimum-wage] mcjobs and "made too much" to qualify. when i lucked into my most recent job with civil service, i was temporarily lower-middle class, and i was glad of that, until shrub laid off several thousand of us early in his 2nd term. aside from the military, that was the only time i was able to have actual health insurance that paid for my occasional doctor's visit. since being laid off, i qualified for washington state basic for just over 3 years, but due to washington state voters refusing to pay a few pennies more for their blessed candy and soda, i am now without this safety net. so how can you say i am being mean when i react negatively to somebody who would say to me "just don't get sick!" - or worse yet, "just jerk yourself up by your own bootstraps!"? you expect me to understand this without problem, but sorry- i just can't. my saying these things is NOT an attack on anybody.

BTW, i never claimed to be able to argue, effectively or otherwise. i leave that up to the rest of you among yourselves. i just express jejune opinions now and then- you know, 1st amendment and all that.

I didn't call you anything. I asked you a question which you chose not to answer. And if you enjoy having your pocket picked for social reasons, then you should move to a nation which has the society that you desire to live in.

Taxation is Theft, and those who advocate taxes are accessories to and co-conspirators in theft.

ruveyn

a "let them eat cake" statement. if i were welcome in canada, i'd have been there decades before now. no european or commonwealth country is available for me to live in. period. higher-functioning folk with advanced college degrees need only apply. i'm just regular folk, and those are not welcome anywhere. you yourself said [in an earlier post] that i am stuck here and "screwed." so my only alternative is to hope a more human face morphs onto uncle sam's visage.



east is east, west is west, and never the twain shall meet. it would be so much better if there were a "left" and "right" forum, so you wouldn't have to see me, and vice-versa. or just get the latest version of firefox which has a doohickie that lets you block me out [of your browser] entirely [from what i've read].

You call enslaving or looting people for your needs a human face? Jesus H. Kryst on a Krutch!

ruveyn

This steady labeling of taxes as stealing indicates you prefer no taxes. With no taxes there is no government since the government needs money to operate. Therefore you're an anarchist.

I accept some taxes for what they are. To wit, a necessary evil, which implies they are an evil. In some cases no taxes would be the greater evil. In any event, extorting money from the public to pay for medical treatment (rather than dealing voluntarily by consent) is a denial of the fruit of the labor of some people. If we can tax people to support medical treatment, why not tax people to provide free t.v. and frozen dinners to those who "need" them. In fact why not tax those who have whatever to give it to those who do not have. Let us equalize the world, Cut down the tall trees and make everything three feet high.

ruveyn

Then I take it you heartily approve of Obama's gift of about three trillion dollars to the super rich. And, of course, those people without jobs who have lost their houses, the civilized thing is to let them starve. Darwin's survival of the fittest.

I do not. Many of the super rich have gotten rich from the government teat. The time is long since passed when these non-productive folk were permitted to go broke and make room for some productive people.

I consider corporate subsidy the most corrupt manifestation of the Welfare State.

ruveyn

Part of me wonders whether it's even useful to respond, as quarrels with Dox47 gain a repetitive streak after a while. But since Dox47 seems to be someone who regards writing long posts and gaining the last word as a "win", my lower self has thus forced me into this engagement.

The main reason why I stopped responding to your arguments from verbosity was that I really have other things to do and I find just ignoring some of your more egregious posts, in the long-run, reduces my blood-pressure. But this post was too rich, especially considering that Inuyasha does actually make most of the assumptions auntblabby accused him of.



While I see you're stil reeling over the numerous arguments from verbosity you regard as definitive, may I quote the frequent, self-pittying, observation you make that it's bad to "get stuck into the last post means the right one" mode. You're posts are nothing more than unaware rants and moans over why I'm not contravening the laws of online political forums.



How could anyone regard me as a man who disingenously paints himself as an outside the fray mediator? I've never claimed the mantle of being politically unaffilitated, it's you who've presented the pious pretenious of straight-talking independence while displaying extremely partial biases. But please, do go on about how the "nannies" are trying to force their will on the people by mandating that government-issued food stamps be used on only specific foods.

Exactly. You emphasize genetics and gifts so much, it's no wonder you have a victim mentality. Pulling yourself up by the bootstraps doesn't imply you're going to make things happen overnight, but once you get into that direction and smash it with a lot of effort, you will be much better off than if you see yourself as a helpless victim.

There are two ways of looking at intelligence; The entity theory and the incremental theory. The entity theory sees intelligence as fixed and stable, whereas the incremental theory sees intelligence as fluid and adaptive. Those who believe in the incremental theory are grittier in the face of adversity, strive to get better where there's room for improvement rather than avoiding challenges, and have a desire to improve rather than simply showcase what they already have. And of course, this works out much better for them in the long run.

http://www.learning-theories.com/self-t ... dweck.html

You should check this out too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroplasticity

The incremental theory isn't just an attitude, it's been proven a reality thanks to neuroplasticity.