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03 Jan 2011, 11:47 pm

I'm not going to be dragged into this juvenile conversation.

Either you know the real world exists or you need a stronger medication.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism

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03 Jan 2011, 11:56 pm

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So if I am in my room the outside world doesn't exist? If someone has never obtained knowledge of a part of the world is it gone? Your argument has no reason, not everything can be seen by humans. Just because someone hasn't perceived an object has no bearing on whether or not it exists.

Which indicates you believe in everything you cannot sense in any manner. Doesn't that strike you just a teensy weensy bit as totally nuts?

No it doesn't it means I don't rely completely on my sense to make my decisions. Besides it(what you are mistakenly referring to as my beliefs) was a criticism of his logic not a statement of my beliefs.(Don't you have to be smart for the whole superiority complex thing to work?) I do not disbelieve the Greeks because the only information I can get concerning them is at best secondary.(with first being personal experience.)

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03 Jan 2011, 11:57 pm

it should be declared a mental illness.

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03 Jan 2011, 11:58 pm

MasterJedi wrote:

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But....

you already know the outside world exists! You were just there! You've seen it!

I don't know how to respond to your feeling that god is there. It does sound delusional to me. I feel that you're talking to yourself and giving yourself far too little credit and freedoms.

I am not a theist, fool. See my reference to the Greeks in my response to sand.

EDIT: Solipsism is philosophy not science jedi/

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04 Jan 2011, 12:00 am

ikorack wrote:

Sand wrote:

ikorack wrote:

Which indicates you believe in everything you cannot sense in any manner. Doesn't that strike you just a teensy weensy bit as totally nuts?

The senses are the primary source of information. Secondary sources have to be estimated as to reliability. Our main difference lies in how we estimate reliability.

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04 Jan 2011, 12:02 am

I was referring to the prospect tensu has solipsism

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04 Jan 2011, 12:03 am

when you are referring to our main differences, you are referring to?

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04 Jan 2011, 12:06 am

um, who?

I'll debate anyone who chooses to debate me. If I disagree with you, I'll argue my position no matter your belief system.

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04 Jan 2011, 12:15 am

MasterJedi wrote:

um, who?

I'll debate anyone who chooses to debate me. If I disagree with you, I'll argue my position no matter your belief system.

That post was for sand, if you had read his post you could have figured it out.

As for your willingness to debate.
Return here and participate in the scripture debate a few have requested from you.(If your word is good.)
http://www.wrongplanet.net/posts147615-start45.html

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04 Jan 2011, 2:18 am

MasterJedi wrote:

So just because I disagree with you, I'm being juvenile?

Look, you claim that I should trust my senses. However, my senses tell me God exists. You say my senses are fooling me. If I can't use my senses to assert God exists, they also cannot be used to disprove him. This is a flaw in your logic. I can either trust my senses or I can't. pick one.

And if your position can't stand up to a little solipsism, you need to re-evaluate your position.

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04 Jan 2011, 2:27 am

Tensu, your question is a false dichotomy. First, you are limiting your 'senses' to what you are seeing and perceiving right at this moment, and not to what you have seen and felt in the past and also ignoring your 'common' sense or intelect; second, you are portraying all senses as equally valid and accurate in perceiving the truth.

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04 Jan 2011, 2:40 am

Ohhh! now things are heating up! :chin:

first off, I'm not ignoring the past: past senses are what tells me there is a God. Second, I'm not ignoring intellect: it to tells me there is a God.

If there is one or more sense I shouldn't be listening to, please tell me what it is.

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04 Jan 2011, 3:09 am

Intelligence isn't common sense. It might be better to say intuition but that doesn't really help your argument any.

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04 Jan 2011, 5:17 am

ikorack wrote:

Intelligence isn't common sense. It might be better to say intuition but that doesn't really help your argument any.

Einstein said that "common sense" is the set of prejudices we acquire before the age of fifteen.

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04 Jan 2011, 10:27 am

For the sake of discussion, i'd also like to remind you that I.Q was invented by a cousin of Darwin. This cousin of his was an advocate of social darwinism, inspired by the works of Darwin. =/

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04 Jan 2011, 10:32 am

phil777 wrote:

For the sake of discussion, i'd also like to remind you that I.Q was invented by a cousin of Darwin. This cousin of his was an advocate of social darwinism, inspired by the works of Darwin. =/

I did some looking up. The first IQ tests were designed by Alfered Binet and Theodor Simeon, two French psychologists. They were intended to predict which students would do best in school. Were either of these related to Charles Darwin (English)?

Perhaps you are referring to Lewis Terman who designed a test at Stanford U. based on the Binet test. This is the so-called Stanfrod-Binet test. Terman was involved in eugenics back in the 1920's are thereabout. Is he the person to whom you refer?

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