UKIP response to being haphazardly bundled in with far-right

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19 Apr 2011, 11:11 am

You're luckier than me, then. I get a choice between a law-and-order (read: authoritarian) communitarian Conservative and a law-and-order (read: authoritarian) communitarian 'independent' (who was previously a Conservative).

I'm spoling my ballot.



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19 Apr 2011, 11:18 am

Tequila wrote:
You're luckier than me, then. I get a choice between a law-and-order (read: authoritarian) communitarian Conservative and a law-and-order (read: authoritarian) communitarian 'independent' (who was previously a Conservative).

I'm spoling my ballot.


The Liberal party I vote for have had all three council ward seat for over 20 years now, tho cos of neighbour harassment I need to move :roll:



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19 Apr 2011, 11:27 am

What are the Liberal Party like? Are they hugely different from the Liberal Democrats?



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19 Apr 2011, 11:32 am

Tequila: I must be mistaken. I assumed Greens were a left wing Eurosceptic party... Nvm :)



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19 Apr 2011, 11:35 am

They're soft eurosceptics. They're also left-wing authoritarian separatist eco-socialists.



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19 Apr 2011, 11:45 am

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They're soft eurosceptics. They're also left-wing authoritarian separatist eco-socialists.


Fair enough. If UKIP do ever get elected and lie, I'm going to make my own Political Party :)



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19 Apr 2011, 11:48 am

UKIP are hard eurosceptics.

Soft euroscepticism means that they dislike some elements of the EU and ask for reform but don't have an opposition to the EU itself.
Hard euroscepticism means they're not interested in reforming it, they just want out.

The Conservatives, UUP, DUP, Greens et al are soft eurosceptics.



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19 Apr 2011, 12:15 pm

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What are the Liberal Party like? Are they hugely different from the Liberal Democrats?


Basicly there ideology is of the old liberals before the liberal & SDP merger back in 1988. That's how they formed in protest to the merger. There centre to centre-left & Euro-sceptics.

Oh the BBC is running the Warren Bradley story now
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13118745



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19 Apr 2011, 12:45 pm

I see UKIP as indistinct from the right wing of the Conservative party. I am a socialist and internationalist so they have nothing to offer me policy wise. I doubt i could find any agreement with them on policy. Their priorities are not mine.



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19 Apr 2011, 1:05 pm

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UKIP is a party that plays on people's fear of Johnny Foreigner. Simple as that.

The EU was created to establish stability and prosperity in Europe and to avoid the mistakes of the past that led to nationalism and the most brutal wars the world has ever seen. It's done exactly what it says on the tin. Never before in the history of Europe has there been such an extended period of peace and prosperity as what we have enjoyed over the last 50 years. UKIP want to undo all that. Nigel Farage has already shown how he wants to interact with other European leaders, by being rude, immature and publicly insulting them. I'd rather have Ronald McDonald lead the country, he far less of a clown than Farage.


I think you might be mistaken tho I need to refalre my knowledge of the history of European unity via research before I comment on that. Have you visited the European Commission & Parliament?
Because I have ten years ago & learnt a great deal about the EU works.


I shadowed an MEP as part of my first year in law school.



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19 Apr 2011, 3:29 pm

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I shadowed an MEP as part of my first year in law school.


Who was the MEP?



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19 Apr 2011, 4:41 pm

Tequila wrote:
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I shadowed an MEP as part of my first year in law school.


Who was the MEP?


I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you. :wink:



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19 Apr 2011, 5:24 pm

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I wouldn't touch UKIP with a barge pole. To me they BNP-Lite, the party of prejudice for racists in denial.


Can you back up that assertion or is it just you smearing the opposition?

UKIP are nothing remotely like the BNP (from economic policies to social policies to integration policies to national identity policies) and I'm sure the Muslim members and candidates we have (one of the most popular candidates in east Lancashire, an area that has experienced its fair share of racial tension, is a Muslim) would be absolutely bewildered by the assertion that UKIP are racists in denial.

But I suppose wanting sovereignty over your own country and being able to set your own laws (like most other democratic nations) is 'racist'.

It just goes to show that the hysterical left are increasingly losing the argument. Can't say we're surprised.


In practice, hysteria - along with obsessiveness, bullying and control of the discourse - has been helping the left win so many of their arguments for so long, not truth or logic.

In any case, conservatives conceded a very important argument to the left decades ago when they decided life would just be easier if they agreed with the left's insistence that there is something so very immoral about White people pursuing their groups interests as White people.

And if people think it's so very wrong to "discriminate" in favour of ones own kin, ones own flesh and blood (as healthy humans and other living things have always done), then it's not surprising many people start thinking all other sorts of "discrimination" must be bad too. Why should we have a single national language? Isn't that discriminatory? Why should we have national borders? Why should schoolkids in British schools spend so much time on British history? How dare people display the flag of St George! How dare bed and breakfast owners decide who to admit into their own premises!

Groups (e.g., conservatives) that are majority White and that pursue policies that align (however unintentional it may be) with White interests (e.g., euroscepticism among others) will get called racist anyway. Conservatives who think that gently provoking the left will get them to see the error of the ways are mistaken. The left will not stop hacking away at the pillars of civilized life until there is nothing left.



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19 Apr 2011, 9:15 pm

All human beings are my flesh and blood. I don't discriminate in favour of those born in the same country as me. I'd like to see human history taught in schools, i'd like to eliminate national borders and the more languages that are spoken the happier i am. You've got me down to tea codarac. I am not a British or a white nationalist.



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19 Apr 2011, 9:17 pm

Expect the state itself to fall apart if you do that.

Some libertarians advocate the elimination of national borders but with the removal of the welfare state at the same time.