Is there anyone who's both pro-life and pro-LGBT rights?

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According to the first amendment, it is unconstitutional. Republicans don't dare to bring that up while I live the unfairness everyday of my entire life.

This is the issue where I start to have strong reservations regarding late-term abortion...

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt127124.html

Does this make me a misogynist to some here?

Perhaps to some, but it sets you well within the mainstream of US culture. RvW allowed for the limitation of 3rd trimester abortions to cases where the life or health of the mother was in danger, rape or incest, or severe fetal abnormality; I think those limitations are perfectly reasonable for a 3rd trimester abortion, and I consider myself pretty strongly pro-choice.

I don't see any conflict with being ok with someone being gay and still not liking the idea of abortion. The rest of the world find it strange that american politics mixes the two subjects up, the two aren't connected unless you're stupid enough to try and match up your politics with your actual opinions.

I find my opinions are conservative in some areas and liberal in others, I don't try to resolve that though because that's just the way people are. Anybody claiming to be one or the other is suspect in my eyes.

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I think my last post dealt with these questions.



Girls need good fathers:
'While living for a longer amount of time with a father who provided high-quality parenting reduced the likelihood of risky sexual behavior by daughters, spending more time with a father with poor parenting skills actually increased risky sexual behavior, the investigators found.
Risky sexual behaviors include having sex without a condom, having multiple sexual partners, having sex while intoxicated, and becoming pregnant before age 19.' (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news ... 13340.html)

is there a set of rules and regulations I am supposed to follow as a woman?
I don't know

Are males supposed to stick to a specific code of being male as well?
Certainly. Men are naturally stronger than women, this comes with an increased responsibility.

And most marriges do not last so a lot of kids end up only growing up with one parent.

That is a terrible argument. There are bad marriages, therefor we should have equal opportunity to have bad marriages is just a bad argument. Marriage is the privileged optimum, so I don't think this line of thought has any impact.



It is not a religious definition, we moved away from that a really long time ago.... and the results have been just splendid haven't they... got to love all those broken homes.

People say that raped women should be given the option. Sure but really, what are the odds that happening? Come on!

The LBGT should be able to do whatever the hell they want. If you don't like it, don't look at it b***h! By the way, I said that to a man so it's not sexist.

@ marshall - I do not think that would make you a misogynist. But I would disagree with you if you felt you had the right to make that decision for another person / couple.

And this is just a general comment about the pervasive idea that abortion should be ok in the case of rape (not directed at LKL, rather those "pro-lifers" who believe it is an acceptable exception)... The whole idea makes me laugh because how would a woman prove she has been raped? By the time a trial is scheduled, the baby would probably already be eating solid food. Saying abortion is okay in the case of rape is taking the choice away from the woman, because she has no choice in the matter until a verdict is in - and by then, it's likely too late anyway. This is why restrictions on abortion are okay in theory, but not so much in practice

(I am not condoning 3rd trimester abortions, btw. I personally think they should only be done if medically necessitated. As long as abortions are readily available to women earlier in their pregnancy (this is key), then any woman who waits until the 3rd trimester to have one should find herself SOL... not that I can imagine a woman who would wait that long, but one can't ever say it hasn't happened)

^Dr. Tiller, the famed 'late-term abortion provider' who was shot in his church by a "pro-lifer," was known to refuse to do late-term abortions for people whom he felt were being callous and irresponsible about it. His own writings and interviews make it clear that he felt that it was a repulsive, awful thing to do - but that it was the better of two bad choices for many women.

I'm not surprised you feel alone. That's the first time I've ever heard that one before.



Liberals tend to be in favor of equal rights for everyone, all the way around. Denying a woman the ability to have an abortion takes away her right to choose what happens to her own body (and whatever clumps of cells may happen to exist within it).

I heard somewhere the saying that "equal rights aren't equal until everyone has them." Taking away a womans right to have an abortion is not giving her equal rights! And as a woman with a somewhat feminist outlook on life I'm sickened by the number of men in this world who believe they have the literal-God-given right to prevent women from having control over their bodies because of some questionable "holy" book that was written thousands of years ago. But that is just my take.

I hope that as you grow and learn you're opinions evolve and grow. And if they continue to grow in the direction they are now, well fine.

And your view of Bush and Palin is interesting. I've never found anything to like about either of them, excpet for when liberal media uses them for comedy.



The bolded statement is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read in my life.



I don't think homosexuality is something you "practice." I used to "practice" playing the piano. I "practice" witchcraft. Doctors "practice" medicine. From what I'm beginning to understand about being homosexual, it's not a choice, it simply is the way a person is.



I consder that a biological advantadge, buddy. I don't want kids, so it works pretty well for me actually.

I do acknowledge that the sole purpose of love and sexual relationships is not just to keep the human race going and evolving. We are in very little danger of having the human race die out because people aren't having enough babies.



Thank you for sharing your opinion.



We (aspies) don't already have that? In the last few months I've been very surprised by this community and others I've found online. From what I see, aspies do have those things (at least a little bit), even the lingo too (I didn't even know what "neurotypical" or "aspie" meant when I first joined this community). It's really really awesome.



This has been a very fun adventure and has led me to the conclusion that I, in fact, do not agree with all of your views on abortion and homosexuality. The line is busy, please hang up and try again later.

Love deserves a "privileged place in our society" don't you think? And as we're learning, love has never been only just between "a man and a woman." And romantic relationships are not only based around having and raising children.



It's wonderful how you hope to reinforce gender stereotypes; what a functionalist outlook. I'm guessing that you don't believe same-sex couples should raise children?

The standard of marriage is not high. More than 50% of marriages end in divorce! In most places the domestic violence rates are ridiculous! People are constantly cheating on their spouses! Marriage is not the optimum. In society, marriage is beginning to mean less and less, and that IS NOT because same-sex marriages are being allowed in some places.



A civil union? You know, your avatar is really interesting. I'm guessing you know something about civil rights. I seem to remember a statement from one of my history lectures: "separate but equal." That's what a civil union is, in my opinion: expecting same-sex couples to be separate while believing they are equal to couples who are married.



Well. That is certainly cold.



From what I understand, he believed in equality for all human beings. I believe he would've supported gay marriage.

Marriage, by definition, involves family. I hope it also involves love. To me it is a two part deal. So love, while it may make a relationship that does not make it a marriage. Also, men and women love in different ways; I think a child needs both.



They will and as a general rule I think that they should receive support. The same as single parent families. I do not regard either of these options as being preferable to a married couple. Two men or two women may be very loving of their children, they cannot provide the balance that a man and a woman can in the raising of children.



That is a pretty bad argument.



There are equal rights in this matter. I do not have the right to marry a man. I am no more free in this regard than any gay man. So on strict legal grounds, there really is no discrimination. The rights are equal you are arguing that there should be additional rights.



That is your choice. I remain undecided on what his views were as there is evidence that points in both directions.

Thank you so much! Finally someone who agrees with me!

I'm sure plenty of people who think that way do exist - just that they aren't seen as politically expedient (then again that goes for anyone who doesn't 'wear the whole hat').

I am glad that you equate a couple of harried, working-class women, trying to raise their children together, with "broken home." Perhaps you should come to the rescue and take their children away from them, so they can be put safely into the hands of their fathers.

Of course, the child may cry profusely on the way home to their heterosexual fathers, but you know what's best for them, don't you? Gotta keep them away from those evil lesbos.

The scary thing is that people used to think like this, back in the 1990s. People used to think that lesbians were so despicable that it was justifiable to take their children away from them by force. It happened all the time. If you were a lesbian and you had a kid, your best advice was to stay in the closet because you never knew when the cops were going to come beat down your door and haul your kid away from you, screaming or whatever, and have him hear about what an evil sinner you are.

You know what, people who would support that kind of crap aren't fit to live.

Me.
I am completely LBGT friendly.
I am pro-life (with the typical exceptions for rape, etc.)

I'm pro-life and pro-LGBT rights.