How to Pay Off the National Debt
androbot2084 wrote:
Actually imposing Jubilee laws or automatic bankruptcy would improve the credit rating of the United States.The reason why our credit is so bad is because we are overextended. Therefore a fresh start would improve our credit rating. Zero interest loans would apply to our money that is made available to US citizens. If foreign countries want to lend us money it would be reasonable to expect to pay these countries interest. Jubilee bankruptcy laws are the moral equivalent of emancipation from slavery.
Our credit is bad because of uncertianty.
Like when politicians hold the economy in peril for a ransom of tax breaks for their best buddies.
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
But I maintain this: colleges will continue to raise their prices so long as government subsidization increases to match it. Reduce government funding, reduce the cost of college education - and by that means make college more accessible to more people.
Why would you think reduced funding leads to a more affordable education? The exact opposite is true. When colleges lose funding, they increase tuition making college less accessible. Add to that a reduction in grants and it's easy to see how student loans are becoming so burdensome.
From: http://www.philly.com/philly/news/break ... dents.html
"PHILADELPHIA (AP) - Temple University is hiking annual tuition this fall by about 10 percent - or nearly $1,200 - to make up for recently approved deep cuts in state education aid, school officials announced Friday."
This is not unique to PA. This is going on all around the country. Granted Corbett's cuts are a bit more extreme, but he's a bit more evil than most other governors.
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
But I maintain this: colleges will continue to raise their prices so long as government subsidization increases to match it. Reduce government funding, reduce the cost of college education - and by that means make college more accessible to more people.
Why would you think reduced funding leads to a more affordable education? The exact opposite is true. When colleges lose funding, they increase tuition making college less accessible. Add to that a reduction in grants and it's easy to see how student loans are becoming so burdensome.
From: http://www.philly.com/philly/news/break ... dents.html
"PHILADELPHIA (AP) - Temple University is hiking annual tuition this fall by about 10 percent - or nearly $1,200 - to make up for recently approved deep cuts in state education aid, school officials announced Friday."
This is not unique to PA. This is going on all around the country. Granted Corbett's cuts are a bit more extreme, but he's a bit more evil than most other governors.
I suspect he's talking about private college & university tuition. Which sometimes increases strictly because the market will bear the increase, because the feds will guarantee the student loans.
Diploma mills should be shut down. And their proprietors prosecuted if at all possible.
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blauSamstag wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
How about useless stimulus packages as well, not printing up yet more US currency for a few years,
Yeah, lets do exactly what put the "Great" in "The Great Depression".
And outside of the context of the post I replied to you would not understand that I am against the wasteful stimulus packages and government instituted printing of money without backing. The more supply of funny money the funnier it gets, and that's no laughing matter.
Whether or not a stimulus is wasteful is largely a matter of whether it pumps money into your own district.
US currency is backed by treasury bills. It works, and it works better than tying your currency to a shiny rock.
Whether backed by a variable quantity of paper bills or by a finite quantity of shiny rock, inflation still ensues when more bills are printed. For the ones backed by gold or silver, their value is diminished according to the quantity of mineral divided by their amount. For those bills which back themselves, as they increase in supply they decrease in value also. More of them means that each is worth less, so it is inflation either way. Printing forever more supply of paper money yields an ever decreasing in value form of currency. I have in my wallet an hundred trillion dollar bill from a nation whose economy collapsed due to inflation of this very nature.
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It's minuscule compared to other budget items, but by eliminating funding to the current major parties would place third parties on closer to equal footing. Outside of adopting the Australian ballot system this would be a way to allow for more than just RINOs and DINOs to have a chance at winning elections. Less of the current rotting parties getting taxpayer financed marketing means at least somewhat more of a chance that some people who might have a clue what they'd be doing could be elected.
It works the other way around.
Government campaign funds help 3rd parties vastly more than they help the elephant and jackass.
Unfortunately they don't help anyone very much. I do not believe that we will see a viable 3rd party presidential race. Ever.
We do use Australian balloting in the USA. What specifically do you mean?
Actually, third parties have to reach a 5% popular vote before they receive taxpayer funding for campaigning. And no, we have an either-or system of voting. The ballot system in Australia allows for prioritization rather than a boolean selection.
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But I maintain this: colleges will continue to raise their prices so long as government subsidization increases to match it. Reduce government funding, reduce the cost of college education - and by that means make college more accessible to more people. I can buy a textbook for $5 to $100 and take my time to learn it completely, do all the homework, etc, or I can pay $1,100 to $3,000 to study the same textbook partially, do part of the homework, and go on to the next ones due to arbitrary deadlines. I would rather waste less money for my education, and so long as the piece of paper is worth more than the degree I might as well learn autodidactically like such people as Nathanial Bowditch and Michael Faraday anyway.
College textbooks are indeed a racket. The real racket is where professors write and publish their own textbook and then require it. The smart ones update it every year, too.
I don't know much about the costs of running colleges, but i suspect that the greatest way to reduce overall costs is to reduce enrollment. The idea that everyone should have a 4-year or longer degree is preposterous.
That would increase the perceived value of degrees, since it would allow for smaller teacher to student ratios, but it would actually need to cost more then too since the cost of college would not be as able to be distributed amongst more students.
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As for spectroscopy, it is still possible to get some of the lesser priced equipment. A spectroscope, light source, heat source, etc. As long as one has taught themselves the theory behind spectroscopic analysis they will still be able to do a lot regardless of not having millions of dollars for a massive laboratory. I've seen a spectroscope available for $9, a burette for $15, most other glassware for less than $10, etc. A person could make a laboratory reminiscent of the 1950's for less than the cost of a single chemistry class. The theoretical knowledge they can gain from textbooks at used bookstores or college book stores if they want to waste a lot of money.
You're forgetting that the objective of advanced science education is not only to teach theoretical knowledge but to teach current research and industrial techniques.
There are universities that have multi-million-dollar semiconductor fabrication facilities strictly because nearby semiconductor manufacturers subsidized them so that the university could produce highly skilled workers for them.
The lab my friend operates for his university is funded partially by a local research institute that does a lot of government work - and in fact my friend spends some of his lab time running spectra for government contractors.
You may see a spectrometer listed for $9 but there is a good chance that it does not work. Also no chance that it is a 300mhz Varian NMR scope.
I'd rather have the theoretical knowledge than train myself to benefit an industry which may eventually become obsolete and specifically learning skills for a manufacturer. 300 MHz is within radio frequencies, and I could probably rig a system which would allow me to identify frequencies emitted even with the meger electronics equipment I have now. Although my theoretically knowledge in this field only encompasses the Bohr model mathematically, it would still be possible to do some measure of radio spectroscopy without learning quantum mechanics just yet. I'm going to eventually teach myself quantum mechanics though, I just want to finish studying the prerequisite mathematics for it first.
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Well, a weaker dollar is certainly what we're headed for. However, off-shoring of manufacturing is firmly in place and not likely to be moved while everything except Wal-Fart is decomposing. Would someone else talk about the effects of over-regulation upon US industry?
The dollar has weakened substantially over the last 4 years, and this weakening is credited with the increase in manufacturing exports over the last 4 years.
Really?
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Yes, but they should not be allowed to be comfortable when the laws they pass have negative effects from which they are insulated. Being required to live on a minimum wage would discourage people from becoming career politicians.
You misunderstand. The really evil ones would do the job for free - because the position of power allows them to make gobs of money on the side.
Take the governor of Florida, for example. Legally his wife owns the businesses that have benefitted so vastly from his policies.
They are career politicians because they use the power for financial gain. The salary is just walking around money.
Okay, so career politicians who are merely taxpayer supported are better than those who have family members who work? I have no idea about the intricate details of this particular situation of the current governor of Florida, but do the laws the benefit his wife's business benefit only her or do they detriment anyone (if you've studied economics you'd realize the question I'm asking.)
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Whether backed by a variable quantity of paper bills or by a finite quantity of shiny rock, inflation still ensues when more bills are printed. For the ones backed by gold or silver, their value is diminished according to the quantity of mineral divided by their amount. For those bills which back themselves, as they increase in supply they decrease in value also. More of them means that each is worth less, so it is inflation either way. Printing forever more supply of paper money yields an ever decreasing in value form of currency. I have in my wallet an hundred trillion dollar bill from a nation whose economy collapsed due to inflation of this very nature.
Not quite correct. In the case of a fiat currency, you are ignoring the deflationary effect of economic growth. In a normal economic cycle, if the amount of currency is fixed, the value of currency increases with growth in the economy. The goal of monetary policy is to maintain inflation at a level roughly consistent with economic growth so that the actual price of goods and services remains stable within the economy.
Now, I grant you that in the last four years we have seen an abnormal economic cycle in which the private sector's misadventures have created a liquidity crisis that was only unjammed through the issuance of new currency. The result has been the lower value of the US dollar--but there has also been relative stability within the general US marketplace. (The current US inflation rate is approximately 3.5%, not outside the realms of the reasonable, particularly considering the deflationary period in 2009).
With a commoditized currency, however, the value of a fixed amount of currency increases with increases with the price of the commodity. However, if that commodity's price is growing faster than the economy that the currency services, then deflation is the result. Deflation can be enormously detrimental to an economy because it punishes borrowers and diminishes incentives to invest because there is a substantial risk-free rate of return by holding currency in specie. In a shrinking economy, commoditized currencies rise in value even more, creating a deflationary spiral that worsens, rather than mediates the recession.
The issue of collapsing currencies is, I suggest, due primarily to the creditworthiness of the economy underwriting the currency. If you believe the United States to be less credit worthy than Zimbabwe, then by all means, start buying CAD, EUR, GBP, RMB and JPY (all fiat currencies, by the way).
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Whether backed by a variable quantity of paper bills or by a finite quantity of shiny rock, inflation still ensues when more bills are printed. For the ones backed by gold or silver, their value is diminished according to the quantity of mineral divided by their amount. For those bills which back themselves, as they increase in supply they decrease in value also. More of them means that each is worth less, so it is inflation either way. Printing forever more supply of paper money yields an ever decreasing in value form of currency. I have in my wallet an hundred trillion dollar bill from a nation whose economy collapsed due to inflation of this very nature.
1: T-bills, like everything else, are worth what someone is willing to pay for them.
2: The value of shiny rocks is quite variable. Just ask Glenn Beck.
3: There are not, in fact, enough shiny rocks to go around, if we wanted to base all of our currency on them.
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Actually, third parties have to reach a 5% popular vote before they receive taxpayer funding for campaigning. And no, we have an either-or system of voting. The ballot system in Australia allows for prioritization rather than a boolean selection.
If your chances of getting elected are vanishingly thin, why should you get taxpayer funding?
What you are talking about is instant runoff voting. Which Australia may or may not use - I don't know.
When people say "Australian Ballot" they mean the system the australians worked out where:
1: The polling is funded by the government rather than the parties
2: Ballots are provided by the government which contain all candidates and issues, rather than parties or newspapers or private citizens providing ballots that contain only the issues important to the printer
3: Voting is done in secret instead of in an open, town-hall sort of fashion.
Those ideas were, believe it or not, revolutionary at the time that Australia implemented them.
Instant Runoff Voting is most commonly used in situations where there is unlikely to be a single candidate who gets a simple majority. I have heard that the mayor of London is elected this way - where there may be 5 or more viable candidates and almost nobody gets a simple (<50%) majority of 1st choice votes, but someone generally has a simple majority of 2nd choice votes.
That would be nice to have, but i don't see how you would convince the ruling class to implement it.
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I'd rather have the theoretical knowledge than train myself to benefit an industry which may eventually become obsolete and
specifically learning skills for a manufacturer. 300 MHz is within radio frequencies, and I could probably rig a system which
would allow me to identify frequencies emitted even with the meger electronics equipment I have now.
specifically learning skills for a manufacturer. 300 MHz is within radio frequencies, and I could probably rig a system which
would allow me to identify frequencies emitted even with the meger electronics equipment I have now.
First you will need to build an 11-tesla superconducting electromagnet to create the proper magnetic field. You will need to secure a source of liquid helium to properly cool it.
Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Spectroscopy. All the cool kids are identifying their substances with it.
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That would increase the perceived value of degrees, since it would allow for smaller teacher to student ratios, but it would actually need to cost more then too since the cost of college would not be as able to be distributed amongst more students.
This also relates to what I was saying about manufacturing -- I specified manufacturing for export because legal gymnastics over the last 10 years or more have classified things as manufacturing that are clearly not. If you assemble hamburgers at McDonalds, you count as a manufacturing job these days.
But yes, manufacturing for export is up in the US for the last few years. And employers are starting to complain that they can hire all the kids with bachlors degrees in psychology or political science they could possibly want, but owing to the stark lack of vocational schools in this country, they can't frind the people with vocational training that they need.
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Okay, so career politicians who are merely taxpayer supported are better than those who have family members who work? I have no idea about the intricate details of this particular situation of the current governor of Florida, but do the laws the benefit his wife's business benefit only her or do they detriment anyone (if you've studied economics you'd realize the question I'm asking.)
Florida has a huge problem with prescription pain killer abuse. The wife of the governor of florida happens to operate a chain of pain management clinics. Oh, and he's made it harder to prosecute pain clinics for sketchy prescribing practices. And made it easier for his wife and her patients to bill the government.
You think maybe they have a joint bank account?
This guy is just one glaring example. Hardly anybody working at the federal level has any problem getting gobs of cash on the side.
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blauSamstag wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Actually imposing Jubilee laws or automatic bankruptcy would improve the credit rating of the United States.The reason why our credit is so bad is because we are overextended. Therefore a fresh start would improve our credit rating. Zero interest loans would apply to our money that is made available to US citizens. If foreign countries want to lend us money it would be reasonable to expect to pay these countries interest. Jubilee bankruptcy laws are the moral equivalent of emancipation from slavery.
Our credit is bad because of uncertianty.
Like when politicians hold the economy in peril for a ransom of tax breaks for their best buddies.
Okay, lets get something straight...
As of right now, American credit is as good as it gets BECAUSE the very idea of not paying our bills was unthinkable...
Until the Tea Party thought about it. Now, thanks to Washington, partisan jackassery, our credit rating is headed into the crapper.
AA credit status will be plenty bad; an automatic bankruptcy jubilee would make us economically radioactive.
Economics 101: You don't do business with people who don't pay their bills.
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ruveyn wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
China already owns Texas. Next month, they'll simply repossess it...
Not without a world war which they will lose, by the way.
ruveyn
China could kill every man, woman, and child in the US (all 300 million), take 1 for 1 losses AND BE BETTER OFF.
The best we could do in a war against China is play nuclear spoilsport.
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ruveyn wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
China already owns Texas. Next month, they'll simply repossess it...
Not without a world war which they will lose, by the way.
ruveyn
China could kill every man, woman, and child in the US (all 300 million), take 1 for 1 losses AND BE BETTER OFF.
The best we could do in a war against China is play nuclear spoilsport.
And we could nuke 2 billion people to a gas overnight. You don't think we would invade China, do you? We would use lots and lots of H bombs on them.
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ruveyn wrote:
And we could nuke 2 billion people to a gas overnight. You don't think we would invade China, do you? We would use lots and lots of H bombs on them.
ruveyn
Yeah, we could play nuclear spoilsport... We nuke china, they nuke us, and so does Russia and India just for wrecking their neighborhood...
So, as I see it, in a war with China we have two options, let them win or destroy the world...
I say let China repo Texas.... They paid for it fair and square.
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ruveyn wrote:
And we could nuke 2 billion people to a gas overnight. You don't think we would invade China, do you? We would use lots and lots of H bombs on them.
ruveyn
Yeah, we could play nuclear spoilsport... We nuke china, they nuke us, and so does Russia and India just for wrecking their neighborhood...
So, as I see it, in a war with China we have two options, let them win or destroy the world...
I say let China repo Texas.... They paid for it fair and square.
but make them take oklahoma as part of the deal
blauSamstag wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
And we could nuke 2 billion people to a gas overnight. You don't think we would invade China, do you? We would use lots and lots of H bombs on them.
ruveyn
Yeah, we could play nuclear spoilsport... We nuke china, they nuke us, and so does Russia and India just for wrecking their neighborhood...
So, as I see it, in a war with China we have two options, let them win or destroy the world...
I say let China repo Texas.... They paid for it fair and square.
but make them take oklahoma as part of the deal
Better Idea, we give China California, and make them take the Botox Queen with them. Texas is about the only state doing well economically at the moment.
Inuyasha wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
And we could nuke 2 billion people to a gas overnight. You don't think we would invade China, do you? We would use lots and lots of H bombs on them.
ruveyn
Yeah, we could play nuclear spoilsport... We nuke china, they nuke us, and so does Russia and India just for wrecking their neighborhood...
So, as I see it, in a war with China we have two options, let them win or destroy the world...
I say let China repo Texas.... They paid for it fair and square.
but make them take oklahoma as part of the deal
Better Idea, we give China California, and make them take the Botox Queen with them. Texas is about the only state doing well economically at the moment.
No, it's really not. Texas is just as messed as everyone else, if not more so. From: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/edi ... 71463.html
"How bad is the Texas deficit? Comparing budget crises among states is tricky, for technical reasons. Still, data from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities suggest that the Texas budget gap is worse than New York's, about as bad as California's, but not quite up to New Jersey levels."
Add to that...
"Yet Perry wasn't lying about those "tough conservative decisions": Texas has indeed taken a hard, you might say brutal, line toward its most vulnerable citizens. Among the states, Texas ranks near the bottom in education spending per pupil, while leading the nation in the percentage of residents without health insurance. It's hard to imagine what will happen if the state tries to eliminate its huge deficit purely through further cuts."
Who is the Botox Queen?
number5 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
And we could nuke 2 billion people to a gas overnight. You don't think we would invade China, do you? We would use lots and lots of H bombs on them.
ruveyn
Yeah, we could play nuclear spoilsport... We nuke china, they nuke us, and so does Russia and India just for wrecking their neighborhood...
So, as I see it, in a war with China we have two options, let them win or destroy the world...
I say let China repo Texas.... They paid for it fair and square.
but make them take oklahoma as part of the deal
Better Idea, we give China California, and make them take the Botox Queen with them. Texas is about the only state doing well economically at the moment.
No, it's really not. Texas is just as messed as everyone else, if not more so. From: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/edi ... 71463.html
"How bad is the Texas deficit? Comparing budget crises among states is tricky, for technical reasons. Still, data from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities suggest that the Texas budget gap is worse than New York's, about as bad as California's, but not quite up to New Jersey levels."
Add to that...
"Yet Perry wasn't lying about those "tough conservative decisions": Texas has indeed taken a hard, you might say brutal, line toward its most vulnerable citizens. Among the states, Texas ranks near the bottom in education spending per pupil, while leading the nation in the percentage of residents without health insurance. It's hard to imagine what will happen if the state tries to eliminate its huge deficit purely through further cuts."
Who is the Botox Queen?
Explains why they get better education results than California...
Furthermore, the cost of living in Texas is a lot lower than it is in California, New York, New Jersey, etc. However, you didn't take that into account, nor did CBPP take that fact into account, because it completely torpedos their narrative.
Inuyasha wrote:
number5 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
And we could nuke 2 billion people to a gas overnight. You don't think we would invade China, do you? We would use lots and lots of H bombs on them.
ruveyn
Yeah, we could play nuclear spoilsport... We nuke china, they nuke us, and so does Russia and India just for wrecking their neighborhood...
So, as I see it, in a war with China we have two options, let them win or destroy the world...
I say let China repo Texas.... They paid for it fair and square.
but make them take oklahoma as part of the deal
Better Idea, we give China California, and make them take the Botox Queen with them. Texas is about the only state doing well economically at the moment.
No, it's really not. Texas is just as messed as everyone else, if not more so. From: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/edi ... 71463.html
"How bad is the Texas deficit? Comparing budget crises among states is tricky, for technical reasons. Still, data from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities suggest that the Texas budget gap is worse than New York's, about as bad as California's, but not quite up to New Jersey levels."
Add to that...
"Yet Perry wasn't lying about those "tough conservative decisions": Texas has indeed taken a hard, you might say brutal, line toward its most vulnerable citizens. Among the states, Texas ranks near the bottom in education spending per pupil, while leading the nation in the percentage of residents without health insurance. It's hard to imagine what will happen if the state tries to eliminate its huge deficit purely through further cuts."
Who is the Botox Queen?
Explains why they get better education results than California...
Furthermore, the cost of living in Texas is a lot lower than it is in California, New York, New Jersey, etc. However, you didn't take that into account, nor did CBPP take that fact into account, because it completely torpedos their narrative.
What does cost of living have to do with budget gaps?
Education rankings: http://education.usnews.rankingsandrevi ... statistics
Texas did better than I thought, #14, but it's still below CA, NY, and NJ (3, 5, and 4 respectively).
And what about their poor health rankings: http://statehealthstats.americashealthr ... te-Ranking
Texas ranks 40th for overall health and 50th (yes, the absolute worst) for lack of health coverage.
I'm still curios what Botox Queen meant.
