Christmas = paganism

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1. Paganism is the worship of any man-made objects.
2. The Christian god is a man-made object.
3. ????
4. Profit

Close. It's more like.

1. Paganism is the worship of any man-made objects.
2. False Christians worship idols of Jesus
3. Pay your tithe
4. The Church profits...

Jehovah's Witnesses don't celebrate Christmas or any other holidays because of their pagan origins. Jesus said "God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth." (John 4:24) As followers of Christ we don't taint our worship to Jehovah God with false beliefs like Christmas. If we did we could not worship Jehovah in truth. If you ever wondered why Witnesses don't celebrate Christmas now you know why.

Your god itself is a man-made object. It seems that atheism is the only choice for you if you want to avoid being a pagan.

Stop with the uninformed lies. You've been corrected zillions of times on this.

We don't have evidence the ancient people looked at the sun the way Acharya (who influences your mindset) does.

And Christmas was adopted later on not from the time Christianity was conceived.

Christian pastors in Henderson County, Texas, are fighting back against atheists who are demanding that a nativity scene located on a courthouse lawn be taken down.

The group behind the complains, the Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation, frequently targets faith and religion projects that are placed on public lands. The group sent a letter to the county that explains how a local resident, who wishes to remain nameless, is offended by the scene.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/intimid ... mediately/

Okay so if this is a figment of O'Reilly's imagination why is an Atheist group in Wisconsin sueing to have a Nativity Scene be taken down in Texas....

Idea: kxmode should celebrate Christmas:
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkVt7hDtTRw[/youtube]

I'll accept the early Church deciding to put the celebration of Christ's birth at this time in the calender. It's fine. So what if it's pagan customs, our days of the week are pagan, yet I still call Saturday Saturday, even though it's named after Saturn. I propose since you're going to specifically pick on Christmas, that you should use the Jewish day names in regular conversation and admonish others who do not as pagans.

Christ is born!

Pretty much spot on ruveyn.

Each witness has their own style for literature presentation. For me personally I don't even bring magazines out of the bag. Instead I start the conversation with bible in hand and ask the householder a simple question. After thanking them for sharing their answer I then politely ask if I could share a scripture to get God's viewpoint on the question asked. I then ask a followup question in connection with the read scripture to see if they understand what the bible is saying. If a householder doesn't want to listen to a scripture then I'm not going to place magazines with them. Even if they let me read a scripture and in the end are not interested in the literature that's fine; I am happy I was able to at least read them a scripture. :) I would prefer householders simply tell me they are not interested. At least I know where they stand. If someone tells me they're not interested in anything Witnesses have to offer I cheerfully wish them well and continue to the next door.

There are no quotas. We do what we can given our circumstances, abilities, availabilities, and so forth. Last month I went out in service for 4 hours, and placed no literature. That was a weak month for me. I know I can do better and I am working on it. I really want to help people know what the bible teaches.

That's really why we're out. We're not trying to push magazines and publications on people to simply push them. What we really want to do is offer free bible studies. Our literature is the avenue by which this can be accomplished. The subjects are explained in our literature using the bible. If a subject discusses modern day problems the literature goes further and explains from the bible how Jehovah God, by means of his kingdom under Jesus' leadership, will solve all these problems in the near future.

I do hope that placing literature with interested ones will lead to positive return visits, that hopefully will transform into bible studies. All I can do is plant the seeds of truth and return to water them, but Jehovah God is really the one who makes them grow. (1 Corinthians 3:6, 7) It is really Jehovah who transforms people's lives through the pages of his word. (Hebrews 4:12) I don't do anything other than humbly offer myself as a teacher to teach what I have learned. (Matthew 28:19,20)

OK

So Christmas gets it from BOTH sides!

Its ironic.

The question remains - what exactly is BIll OReilly 'defendingg' when hes defending Christmas? Christianity? Or Paganism?

i thought that was funny when i was a christian and when i was a pagan and now. for some reason i get told to shut up when i tell conservative people this but i really dont know why. i find the history behind the holiday facinating.

You have in no way corrected me. You are in denial like all christians. No we don't have evidence, but some of us at least have reasoning and you cannot deny that the sun is the most important object humanity knows about. Without it there would be no life on Earth, and probably no Earth. Christmas was adopted later but pasted over the existing solstice festivals which were all about death and rebirth of the sun.

Dude, get a woodstove; that sh*t's free heat!

We don't worship idols or have idols of any kind in our worship. Our worship goes exclusively to Jehovah God. When we pray we follow the model prayer Jesus outlined during his sermon on the mount (Matthew 6:9,10) All our prayers go to Jehovah God through the name of Jesus Christ acknowledging that only through Christ's death can we gain salvation with Jehovah. (John 3:16; 17:3)

Now as far as the vast religions of the world go your statement about someone becoming an atheist to avoid becoming a pagan is sort of accurate. Because virtually every religion is descended from ancient Babylonian Nimrod worship most share common doctrines like the immortality of the human soul, triad of gods or polytheism, mother-child worship, demonology and spiritism, and hellfire to name a few. I wrote more information on this subject here. So in essence if someone asked me what is the largest religion in the world, my answer would be virtually all religions under the category of paganism. Out of 7 billion people roughly 4.5 billion are practicing pagans in one denomination or another... and sadly most don't even realize this.

Let me go into a little more detail. This collective group of Nimrod-descended pagan religions is identified as Babylon the Great In Revelation. It is described as a vast empire of false religion that covers the entire earth.

Instead of giving their exclusive devotion to Jehovah God these religions ally themselves with governments, kings, and presidents. Jehovah considers this act the same as "fornication.” (17:2) That's why at Revelation 17:1 Babylon the Great is called "the great harlot". So since virtually all these religions descend from Nimrod worship Revelation 18:2-3 states, "Babylon the Great ... has become a dwelling place of demons and a lurking place of every unclean exhalation and a lurking place of every unclean and hated bird! For because of the wine of the anger of her fornication all the nations have fallen [victim], and the kings of the earth committed fornication with her, and the traveling merchants of the earth became rich due to the power of her shameless luxury."

Eventually this harlot-like Babylon the Great is going to be destroyed by those kings it has committed fornication, or allied itself, with. Revelation 17:16 explains in graphic detail what's to come: "And the ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire." How will this attack happen? Verse 17 explains "For God put [it] into their hearts to carry out his thought, even to carry out [their] one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished." In other words Jehovah God is going to cause some sort of crazed madness to consume the world powers and they will attack and rip Babylon all to pieces and burn what's left. This will be divine retribution from Jehovah God for the thousands of years of blood Babylon the Great (all those Nimrod descended religions) has spilled.

When you see this event happen (and you will because every media outlet will report it) this will be the beginning of the end of this system.

I am an atheist.

At this time of year, I put up a Christmas tree and decorate it with lights and ornaments, and I put out an antique Nativity Scene that is also a treasured family heirloom. I put low-wattage fake candle lights in the windows, and I hang a wreath next to the front door on the wall facing the street. I visit with my family, even at the cost of my own convenience. I exchange gifts with family and friends, and I make a point of giving something nice to the impoverished neighbors next-door. I don't think I've ever bought my own clothing, thanks to older female relatives, and I am not even sure where I would go to look for it. And damn it, I like fruitcake, thank you very much.

If I can tolerate a manger, you can tolerate a tree.

I rest my case.