atheists and aspergers?
Put your money where your mouth is. Cross the busiest street in your city blindfold against the light. See if you really believe it is all an illusion. When you are done with that go to the top of the nearest tall building and jump off the roof. Falling and the ground are just illusions, right?
ruveyn
I'm not saying that objective reality is an illusion. I'm saying that if the only source of knowledge is sense experience, then (in principle at least) you should embrace skepticism. If I was a global skeptic, advising me to walk out in traffic wouldn't prove the existence of a reality outside of the mind. If I failed to enter traffic blindfolded, it would only prove that I take objective reality for granted.
Blah, blah, blah, and then you experience a miracle, one that cannot be empirically explained. Then what?
I was raised in a loving, Christian (Quaker) environment. Religion was used to keep me in line but not any more than necessary - no more than my sibs. I'm ok with the Bible. I've read it a few times for myself. Have you? I'm ok with Science. Part of my problems with Christians is that I might be too ok with Science, but I believe that just because it's not in the Bible, doesn't mean it can't be, especially if I can see or touch it. And we don't always recognize what's in the Bible because of our limits in knowledge or social ability. I believe God is the Creator, the Master Chemist. Everything works by set principles - by design.
I know God. Is it my imagination? Maybe; I'm an Aspie with epilepsy; but really, I don't think I'm that creative and I certainly don't posses the capacity to perform miracles.
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Thing that most people on the spectrum fail to realize is there is often a difference between the actual teachings of a religion and what some religious leader claims.
after i left Christianity, i started studying various religions and none of them had any more logic than the last. its a primitive belief for a primitive time, men were ignorant back then and in every so called "Holy Book" that ignorance is reflected(not singling any religions out, im am talking about them all) i have yet to find a SINGLE religion that makes sense, honestly the closest one that makes sense is Raelism which is a UFO religion that states that Yahweh were the names of the aliens that visited earth a long time ago and they created man in their image using Bio-Technology and created Earth using Terraforming technology, and we mistook them for Gods which for a species advsnced enough to travel through space, that scenario is highly plausible, a lot more plausible than the answers of other religions, such as an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, omniscient God who has and always will exist yet he exists in a mystical immaterial realm creating everything and he cant even control his creations(such as evil),
Christianity, the belief in a Cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father who sacrificed himself to himself to save us from himself and we need to symbolically consume his flesh and pray to him to accept him in our hearts to get rid of some "Original Sin" caused by a talking snake convincing a rib woman, made from the rib of her husband who was made from the dirt, to eat from a magical tree.........i have a demotivational picture like that on my facebook
as far as im concerned religion in general makes no sense
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i have always believed that if God does exist he would be a scientist and an engineer in order to create somethign as complex as the Universe, or life for that matter, and such a God would value skepticism, reason, and logic more than blind faith
im not saying anything about you mind you im just quoting your terminology because i like the way its worded
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People with Aspergers are more likely to become Atheists because they don't feel as obligated to try to blend in with the views and pop culture of the public. They realize that you can't trust the general public and the media, and that dogmas are mostly impractical. I used to be a Christian before I realized how hypocritical the Bible is and how many miracles people of claimed to have witnessed people of other religions perform, such as Hindus in India. I realized that it is equally plausible that these miracles actually happened as the miracles performed in Christianity and it would be ignorant to assume that the miracles performed in Christianity actually happened, but that none of the miracles performed in other religions actually happened. I also realized that most dogmas are little more practical than Roman mythology. I'm a Spiritualist however, and I believe in a more practical afterlife than most other religions that is similar to our world except more utopian, more technologically advanced, and better in many other ways. I'm a Spiritualist and not an Atheist because I have spent thousands of hours pondering the nature of the Universe and trying to figure out what the truth was and I couldn't make sense of Atheism. I've also had some supernatural experiences such as when I was nine years old and I tried to electrocute myself in order to avoid going to the doctor's office to get a vaccination. After I had electrocuted myself I got knocked out and I started seeing bright color-changing lights. I got really scared and remorseful and a spirit was telepathically scolding me and telling me that I shouldn't have done that although I never saw anything except the lights. After I woke up I felt happy and grateful, and I had found new hope, which quickly turned to disapointment after I realized that I still had to get the vaccination. I thought about doing it again, but I figured that I'd probably regret it and it was really painful the first time. But it's still nice to be more assured that when I die or if I decide to commit suicide again that I won't descend into nothingness.
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Work hard till it can be explained. There are no miracles and mysteries. There are only solved problems and unsolved problems.
ruveyn
agreed. enough said there.
Y'all crack me up with your self-declared, superior idealism. I think the reason Aspies are atheists is because we think we know more than everyone else and are too stubborn to be subordinate to the will of others - and we hate our parents more and reject anything they might offer, such as their religious beliefs - especially when we don't fit into the perfect plan.
The Bible and man-made religion are two very different entities. Man has polluted the Word of God as much or more than they're polluted the planet. Saying the Bible is hypocritical just tells me you didn't read it with an open mind. It's always made perfect sense to me.
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The Bible and man-made religion are two very different entities. Man has polluted the Word of God as much or more than they're polluted the planet. Saying the Bible is hypocritical just tells me you didn't read it with an open mind. It's always made perfect sense to me.
Yes, a supposedly loving God commanding the slaughter of children makes perfect sense indeed.
The problem I've discovered with describing yourself as agnostic is that people of faith for some reason get the idea that you're "searching" and therefore they try hard to sell you their brand of hogwash.
They just don't believe because there's no clear evidence for God.
I would even go so far as to say that most atheists don't claim to know God doesn't exist. We just regard the question as irrelevant. I can't claim to know that as I write this there isn't an invisible pink unicorn standing in my living room. However, if I assumed the unicorn's existence despite a complete lack of supporting evidence I would rightfully be regarded as delusional; and, if it's impossible to test whether the unicorn exists then questioning its existence is an exercise in futility.
In the past the term "agnostic" referred to a person who understood that theology is nothing more than mental masturbation. It has now become synonymous with "fence-sitter."
The problem I've discovered with describing yourself as agnostic is that people of faith for some reason get the idea that you're "searching" and therefore they try hard to sell you their brand of hogwash.
You're right. But many atheists are so arrogant and even 'religious' about their point of view that they don't accept any other possibilities.
Anyway, when it is about christians, i say i'm atheist.
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Agnostic atheist. Hardcore determinist. Misanthrope. Objectivist. INTP.
AS: 165, NT: 44
The problem I've discovered with describing yourself as agnostic is that people of faith for some reason get the idea that you're "searching" and therefore they try hard to sell you their brand of hogwash.
You're right. But many atheists are so arrogant and even 'religious' about their point of view that they don't accept any other possibilities.
Anyway, when it is about christians, i say i'm atheist.
Indecisive or simply not presumptuous?
