Will Ron Paul fizzle out?

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21 Dec 2011, 8:32 am

I am more worried that Ron Paul will be snuffed out. In the unlikely event that he runs and is elected (don't bet on this!) he will be a target for assassination even more so than Presidents usually are. Ron Paul is adverse to many vested interests. He is also bad news for the Military, which also means the dreaded Military Industrial Complex. Ron Paul is the only well known politician who can put an end to the Forever War.

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21 Dec 2011, 11:03 am

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And what about the blow back it would cause? Even if he died a natural death in office, I'm sure there would be at least a little chaos.

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22 Dec 2011, 4:51 pm

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No. Of course an economy is not as simple as an individual's own budget. The analogy is fully applicable, however. The U.S economy is made of phony wealth that is propped up on fiat currency and foreign debt, and persons such as yourself that follow the Keynesian train of thought will only serve to increase the size of the bubbles in the U.S economy, resulting in a much larger and more devastating burst.

Except, a (Post-) Keynesian like me doesn't believe in re-inflating the credit bubble. I believe in propping up a stagnant economy with crucial investments in decrepit infrastructure, getting a start on "greening" the economy, and investing in social-capital generating areas like education.

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You don't get it. There is no use in fighting a recession, it needs to happen. It is a market correction resulting from too much consumption and not enough production. Cutting the budget by a trillion may cause a double dip, but it is much more favourable to the scenario in which an inflated bubble bursts.

US worker productivity is already well outstretching gains in worker income => the US is producing more than the consumer base can afford without credit. There is a negative trade balance, but that's due to an overvalued dollar. A better idea than letting the economy go through painfully slow growth, if not further dips, for 15-20 years (given your advocacy of an Austerian agenda, I suspect 20-25 years of slow growth might be a possibility), is investing in the economy and human capital with stimuluses while working to correct the trade imbalance via a properly valued dollar.

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To Ron Paul supporters, of course he's going to fizzle out. EVERY OTHER ANTI-ROMNEY candidate has. He'll play third fiddle in this race and if his stock rises on the Predictions Market, I might just have to go about getting some sort of prepaid credit card so I can short him.

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22 Dec 2011, 5:03 pm

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And what about the blow back it would cause? Even if he died a natural death in office, I'm sure there would be at least a little chaos.

He is my age. Late 70s. He is not going to be around that much longer, most likely. If he cannot make it this time around, that is it.

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22 Dec 2011, 5:09 pm

ruveyn wrote:

snapcap wrote:

And what about the blow back it would cause? Even if he died a natural death in office, I'm sure there would be at least a little chaos.

He is my age. Late 70s. He is not going to be around that much longer, most likely. If he cannot make it this time around, that is it.

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22 Dec 2011, 5:53 pm

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Hopefully, he picks a VP that he trusts and that scares the establishment just as much as he does. I'd be worried too if he picked somebody like Romney in a Kennedy/LBJ-esqe compromise.

I'm not worried about his health tho. Ron's actually something of a health nut. Still runs and bikes like 10+ miles a a day.

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22 Dec 2011, 9:06 pm

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He'll play third fiddle in this race and if his stock rises on the Predictions Market, I might just have to go about getting some sort of prepaid credit card so I can short him.

Don't make bets with money you don't have. Didn't you learn anything from the banking crisis?

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I'm not worried about his health tho. Ron's actually something of a health nut. Still runs and bikes like 10+ miles a a day.

Doesn't matter how healthy he is. He's at fairly close to the maximum human lifespan. It would not be surprising for him to die at any point.

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22 Dec 2011, 9:24 pm

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Master_Pedant wrote:

Please stop using this utterly idiotic meme (and fallacy of composition) of treating a government with a sovereign currency as if it's just like a household

No. Of course an economy is not as simple as an individual's own budget. The analogy is fully applicable, however.

{{Historically no recession has ever been solved by cutting expenses}} Would you like to argue against that assertion, feel free to provide examples because I have been looking for them for ages.

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22 Dec 2011, 9:33 pm

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Master_Pedant wrote:

He'll play third fiddle in this race and if his stock rises on the Predictions Market, I might just have to go about getting some sort of prepaid credit card so I can short him.

Don't make bets with money you don't have. Didn't you learn anything from the banking crisis?

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I'm not worried about his health tho. Ron's actually something of a health nut. Still runs and bikes like 10+ miles a a day.

Doesn't matter how healthy he is. He's at fairly close to the maximum human lifespan. It would not be surprising for him to die at any point.

Maximum human lifespan? He's 76, not 100. Ron doesn't have any imminent health problems AFAIK besides his age and his mind certainly isn't going. I'd be less worried about Ron's age than I would with Gingrich's obesity. Both his Ron's parents like until they were 93.

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27 Dec 2011, 1:58 pm

I think Ron Paul is just another false saviour. I'm gonna write in vote for Adam Sandler.

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27 Dec 2011, 2:07 pm

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Master_Pedant wrote:

He'll play third fiddle in this race and if his stock rises on the Predictions Market, I might just have to go about getting some sort of prepaid credit card so I can short him.

Don't make bets with money you don't have. Didn't you learn anything from the banking crisis?

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27 Dec 2011, 2:07 pm

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I think Ron Paul is just another false saviour. I'm gonna write in vote for Adam Sandler.

I think Adam Sandler is just another false son of the devil, I'm just going to vote for turtles, because I like turtles.

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27 Dec 2011, 5:32 pm

I'm guessing that if Ron Paul stuns everyone and wins the first few primaries, then the Repugnicans will switch from "Anyone but Romney!" to "Anyone but Paul!" mode, and unite behind Mitt Romney (or whoever is still in the running at that time--maybe even Michele Bachmann).

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27 Dec 2011, 5:40 pm

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It's amazing how disastrously the Grand Old Party's nomination process has gone thus far. Honestly, isn't a highly centralized and efficient propaganda network (Frank Luntz, Faux News, Talk Radio) and a lot of corporate money worth anything when it comes to getting the rank and file in line?

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27 Dec 2011, 7:36 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:

pandabear wrote:

The GOP has been hijacked by a bunch of Tea Party NutJobs...

Considering the way things have gone in the House, I could see the party splitting over a Paul nomination...

Hey, maybe I won't vote for Newt in the primary... :twisted:

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27 Dec 2011, 7:54 pm

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It will be Romney, Romney is the only candidate that actually has any organization beyond Ron Paul. Gingrich is strong in the south but has no organization and is looking like he'll finish 3rd/4th in Iowa and New Hampshire. Guy couldn't even get on the ballot in Virginia or Missouri. Not to mention Newt is completely unlikable and thus unelectable. Nobody else in the race currently has a legitimate shot.

Now, me and Dox have warned about Jeb Bush or Chris Christie entering the race late to "save" the GOP nomination.

Honestly if Ron isn't the nominee, the GOP will lose. There will be a third party candidate that will take 5-10% and spoil the election.

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