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Well put.

I answer this in my first post on page 1 of this thread.

And Micah 5:2

Are you implying that God took a dump once a day? And if so, was the product thereof Holy Sh*t?

ruveyn

I don't think El La would do such a thing I call God El La during prayer.

As much as I hate to side with Theology on anything, this isn't actually as far-fetched as you might think in terms of logic. It takes a bit of brain-bending, but I think I can Nerd Out and explain it by making a comparison to Changeling: the Lost. Pay close attention, this gets a little hairy:

If someone wants to believe that Christ was both God and his own son, you can think of God as being like the True Fae. The True Fae's essential nature is a sapient facet of reality; anything that exists physically or as an ideal might have a True Fae that doesn't represent it so much as it is its placeholder in a sort of universal tapestry of connection (known as the Wyrd). A True Fae's 'true form' is its Name, upon which the various Oaths and Contracts that comprise its 'physical form' hang and rest (I'm simplifying here, incidentally). True Fae, however, don't just rest on their Name; they grant and take Titles from each other that represent refinements of these Wyrd-born concepts, places in the 'tapestry' for the Fae to have authority over. In order to survive, they conflict with each other by distilling their natural omnipotence into deliberately limited forms and playing out grand games of legend and myth.

When a True Fae wants to do this, they invest one of their Titles into a form and place it within a story against one or more other Fae or mortals. If they 'win', they gain additional Titles; if they lose, they lose the one they risked. Where this gets important is one particular manifestation of Title - an Actor, which is where the Christ comparison comes in. An Actor is both like and more than a hand; like a hand, it is wholly a part of the True Fae that created it, and its 'master' is entirely aware of what the Actor is doing, whereas the Actor may not even be truly aware of its greater nature. Unlike a hand, though, an Actor has significant free will, and while the True Fae that creates it determines its nature (as limited by the Title that gives it form) it cannot determine its actions - the Actor acts and chooses independently, and the only way a True Fae can affect it once it's loose is to recall it, reclaiming the Title for further use (usually done after claiming victory in a Legend).

You could choose to view Christ the same way; a deliberate limitation on God's (the True Fae) omnipotence. He would be God's son in the sense that he was created/sired by God, but also as a part of God by virtue of being, essentially, a free-willed limb set on a task in the name of his master.

And that's been my two cents. I return now to opposing theology in all ways.

Of course I am, as I believe Christ was every bit human as he was God.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

John 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning.

Sure about that? Matthew 28 implies that mary and mary were present, and discovered that Jesus' body was missing.

And John 20 implies that Simon, Peter, and a third, unnamed disciple found the body missing.

I could go on, but I'm sure you know where i'm going with this, and have done the research yourself. This story is told 3 times in the bible, and the stories don't match up.

On one hand, eye-witness reports are notoriously fallible, and it's normal and expected for three reports of the same event to diverge greatly.

On the other hand, without the resurrection, Jesus of Nazareth is just another traveling sorcerer, of which there were many in old Judea, and many which were crucified.

Considering how long after his departure from this plane his following really got going, he could even be an amalgamation, a "greatest hits" of messiahs, both self-proclaimed and widely presumed, who were all long gone by the time this whole bible thing really got rolling.