Last Call for Christianity

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Okay I'm not sure what the Truth is. Is it that Jesus came to earth to be a sacrifice to save us from some kind of inherently flawed sinful nature? I'm not sure I follow that.

Or is it the truth of Jesus' teachings? The Golden Rule and such? Or other things such as the 10 Commandments?


It might also be that some of us find this confusing because of the divisions within Christianity. For some time there seemed to be a lot of friction between Protestants and Catholics for example. Also I guess only the Catholics follow the Pope. So what's that about? Should people follow the Pope as their leader?

Starts out with quasi-scientific rhetoric that is falsely portrayed.. it's been proven there are fluctuations in the earths distance to the sun as well as rotational speed. Even still the odds are stacked against us, but the simple fact we exist does not provide any evidence we're the product of divine intervention. I can play the numbers game too, though. Out of exploding stars matter spreads then coalesces around other stars to form planets. Only 10% of stars capture this matter, form planets, then form solar systems. The milky way galaxy alone has 20 billion solar systems. A German supercomputer estimates there are 500 billion galaxies. If you assume similar number of solar sysems in each galaxy... there's a f**kton of planets out there. Which means a f**kton of chances that a water planet exist which can create archea-bacteria, and start a progressive lifecycle that creates a sentient lifeform that can argue with other sentient beings through an information sharing network that is a fractal iteration of the sentient being's mind which is a fractal iteration of the chaotic causal reaction of particles that created the planet on which the sentient being stands. So, the possibilities for life beyond our tiny planet are out there. If you can accept we're not the only conscious beings in space, but still recognize Jesus has only set foot on this planet.. I guess those aliens are going to hell. Poor fellers! The rest of the article is faith based mental sludge.

But you said you would answer anyone that says your faith is false. Isn't that what you said?


I'm going to ignore the fallaciousness of these tired arguments for the moment and ask you: how does this prove that the Christian god exists? Why does this not prove the existence of Allah, or Thor?

The article attempts to give a semblance of an answer - "Why Jesus? Look throughout the major world religions and you'll find that Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius and Moses all identified themselves as teachers or prophets. None of them ever claimed to be equal to God. Surprisingly, Jesus did."

I guess that's it, folks, Christianity must be correct because Jesus claimed to be god himself while none of the other guys did. Makes perfect sense.

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In perfect fairness, it doesn't prove the existence of Thor because Thor never claimed to do any of that s**t. Thor kills giants with his hammer. Thor's pretty happy with this job description.

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I can't necessarily say its the fault of 'Christians' but rather the game God himself plays. Things are - at this very moment - exactly what they were set in motion to be since the big bang. God doesn't make mistakes, hence nothing is happening that isn't exactly what he planned.

Aside from determinism, the reason why its not Christians fault - most of this rests on a document that's 2000 years old, patchy, inadmissible as evidence, and everything that happens as an abberation to reductive materialism (such as psychic ability, faith healing, NDE, etc.) is in a phase of history where its pure anecdote - some of that is changing but we're a long way from being in a world where confirmed human knowledge doesn't have the cards stacked, heavily, against theism.

It's a little sad how many people are saying Christianity and the Bible are pointless. I don't agree that what it preaches is at all true, but I think it's important. So much history and literature and modern culture arise from this religion and holy text - of course it's important.

To historians of the future maybe; but it seems pretty pointless and not a little destructive in many ways at the moment.

What about literature, which is ripe with references to the bible? To properly understand western literature the bible is unavoidable. What about traditions that are in mainstream society today (such as marriage)? What about american politics, where religion is a key component in a president getting elected? Why shouldn't a text of one of the major religions be viewed with interest?

In religious ed I definitely think religious texts of the major religions should be lightly studied. Studied as a text and the impact of the text, not taught "this is correct, believe in this religion". I think shunning the Bible would simply make matters worse and closes a lot of doors intellectually. The destructive thing IMO is taking the bible literally, not the bible itself.

The bible teaches that the earth is flat and it does not move.

ruveyn

edit: Double post, sorry!

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As I said, I do not think that what it preaches is true (I am an atheist): I said that I disagree that the bible is unimportant.

Just what is the theology of this society Of Truth? Somehow it seems to smack of evengelicalism to me.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Maybe it is synonymous with George Orwell's "Ministry of Truth"

It's like the Freemasons but when you get to the top the big secret is: You've been had!!

The one thing atheists never understand about the religious is very simple. Disproove our religion attack our faith and more people will join our faith and convert to our religion atheists make people more religious.