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02 Jul 2012, 9:03 pm
Joker wrote:
Declension wrote:
Joker wrote:
Declension wrote:
Joker wrote:
Everyone in America is a immagrant. Excpet those of Native American descant like me 
Even them, I'm afraid. Everyone in the world is an immigrant except possibly some people in East Africa.
Nope people of native ancestry, have more of a right to a certin peace of land then others do.
But it's a change in quantity, not quality. Are you saying that third-generation white immigrants in the US have more right to the land than first-generation white immigrants?
None of then hae a rght to the US in my opinon.
I think Joker was implying that because previously the Americas were not inhabited by humans, the only ones with a true claim to it are the Native American Indians (both for the north and the south). It's more clear cut when they were quite distinctly the only ones there first. - unlike the British and French coloniziers and the conquistadors.
For most other places in the world, it is not as clear cut as on that continent.
02 Jul 2012, 9:09 pm
Kjas wrote:
Joker wrote:
Declension wrote:
Joker wrote:
Declension wrote:
Joker wrote:
Everyone in America is a immagrant. Excpet those of Native American descant like me
Even them, I'm afraid. Everyone in the world is an immigrant except possibly some people in East Africa.
Nope people of native ancestry, have more of a right to a certin peace of land then others do.
But it's a change in quantity, not quality. Are you saying that third-generation white immigrants in the US have more right to the land than first-generation white immigrants?
None of then hae a rght to the US in my opinon.
I think Joker was implying that because previously the Americas were not inhabited by humans, the only ones with a true claim to it are the Native American Indians (both for the north and the south). It's more clear cut when they were quite distinctly the only ones there first. - unlike the British and French coloniziers and the conquistadors.
For most other places in the world, it is not as clear cut as on that continent.
It's not even clear-cut on the American continent. The native Americans arrived in at least two separate migration events. And remember, the concept of "native American" is a modern concept. At the time, they thought of themselves as a collection of hundreds of different groups, which considered each other to be as different from each other as it is possible for groups to be, and often went to war against each other.
So, does only the first wave deserve the continent? What about land which one group of native Americans took from another by war? Does the first group deserve that land, or the second?
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02 Jul 2012, 9:09 pm
02 Jul 2012, 9:10 pm
Kjas wrote:
Joker wrote:
Declension wrote:
Joker wrote:
Declension wrote:
Joker wrote:
Everyone in America is a immagrant. Excpet those of Native American descant like me
Even them, I'm afraid. Everyone in the world is an immigrant except possibly some people in East Africa.
Nope people of native ancestry, have more of a right to a certin peace of land then others do.
But it's a change in quantity, not quality. Are you saying that third-generation white immigrants in the US have more right to the land than first-generation white immigrants?
None of then hae a rght to the US in my opinon.
I think joker was implying that because previously the Americas were not inhabited by humans, the only ones with a true claim to it are the Native American Indians (both for the north and the south). It's more clear cut when they were quite distinctly the only ones there first. - unlike the British and French coloniziers and the conquistadors.
For most other places in the world, it is not as clear cut as on that continent.
There is tentative evidence that the people we consider Mesoamerican and Amerindian were not the first either. They may have displaced earlier settlers occasionally referred to as "American Aborigines". They are thought to be Australasian people, or close to them. The last remaining example of their culture may be the Fuegans of Tierra del Fuego, who are distinct from other native American societies
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02 Jul 2012, 9:13 pm
Kjas wrote:
Joker wrote:
Declension wrote:
Joker wrote:
Declension wrote:
Joker wrote:
Everyone in America is a immagrant. Excpet those of Native American descant like me
Even them, I'm afraid. Everyone in the world is an immigrant except possibly some people in East Africa.
Nope people of native ancestry, have more of a right to a certin peace of land then others do.
But it's a change in quantity, not quality. Are you saying that third-generation white immigrants in the US have more right to the land than first-generation white immigrants?
None of then hae a rght to the US in my opinon.
I think Joker was implying that because previously the Americas were not inhabited by humans, the only ones with a true claim to it are the Native American Indians (both for the north and the south). It's more clear cut when they were quite distinctly the only ones there first. - unlike the British and French coloniziers and the conquistadors.
For most other places in the world, it is not as clear cut as on that continent.
True for the rest of the world it's not. In Americas case though for hundreds of years my anncestores where here befor. The first settelers showed up.
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03 Jul 2012, 12:02 am
Just something I remember seeing in a news magazine one day.
03 Jul 2012, 12:03 am
Shatbat wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
Illegal aliens broke the law just by crossing the border. Then there's the littering, identity theft, fraud, and frequently driving without a license, DUI, hit and run, drunk in public, domestic violence, and they seem to find sex crimes more socially acceptable than other groups. That doesn't even include the rampant drugs, gangs, and rings of organized crime. They do boneheaded things while driving, and they are usually the ones creating noise ordinance violations and celebratory gunfire.
I haven't figured out if Hispanics are generally less intelligent or not, but their culture sure isn't helping. The one thing I have noticed is that since they now get student aid and have flooded the colleges like they do to everything else, the majority of them drop out halfway through and are seen less and less the more advanced the classes get. It's just one more way of draining the system. I'm sure there are a lot of skilled professionals in other countries, but we need to make jobs for the people we already have here first. Latin America and third world peasants have a piss poor sense of economics- it took a long time to build such a rich society, and a 8 hour work day and minimum wage, and we don't need a bunch of gomers destroying all that!
I haven't figured out if Hispanics are generally less intelligent or not, but their culture sure isn't helping. The one thing I have noticed is that since they now get student aid and have flooded the colleges like they do to everything else, the majority of them drop out halfway through and are seen less and less the more advanced the classes get. It's just one more way of draining the system. I'm sure there are a lot of skilled professionals in other countries, but we need to make jobs for the people we already have here first. Latin America and third world peasants have a piss poor sense of economics- it took a long time to build such a rich society, and a 8 hour work day and minimum wage, and we don't need a bunch of gomers destroying all that!
Well... illegal immigrants and legal immigrants are diferent. The latter must usually work hard to get their papers, and show their worth. I have cousins who are natural born U.S. citizens, daughters of two legal immigrants who are now also U.S. citizens, and even them had to deal with the prejudice you're showing. The teachers of the oldest one didn't make as much of an effort to teach her as with the other ones, because they saw she was hispanic and thought her inferior. Also, her english skills were a little behind because of speaking spanish inside the household, and they confused it with stupidity. Only after a lot of hard work and consistently getting good grades could she prove them wrong. Saying we're lazy because of our race is really...
.And believe me, I know a lot of quite capable, hard working hispanic people, who would do a better job than the average american.
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03 Jul 2012, 12:33 am
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The way I take it is... some white Americans argument that they have more rights than anyone because they were here first. And what Joker said is the perfect counterargument for that.
Yeah. The US hasn't had the most glorious history. 
03 Jul 2012, 4:16 am
How about the Indians? 
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