Can/should murderers and rapists be reformed?

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Id say death penalty for murderers rapists and child molestors! If its the case a guy is mad and murders a child molestor for raping and molesting his kids the guy that killed him should be let go. If it is however the man jjuust killed people for no reason then he should die!

No need for alarm.

Once again AspieOtaku comes to save the day. Staunchly defending the beleaguered bastions of civilization against graduated sentencing since 622 to 621 BC.

I don't think you have to worry about that. I think average time served for a person convicted of rape is like 5 years.

Hey it may seem barbaric and primitive but look at it this way the prisons wont be as crpwded and there would be by far less rapists murderers and molestors out of fear of the consequences!That is why crime is so low in places like China!

Well you know, perhaps instead of killing rapists, murderers and pedophiles, the 60% out of the some 2,284,913 prisoners incarcerated in U.S prisons who are non-violent offenders could be released. Mandatory minimum sentences could be reviewed, the "3 strikes" law come to mind (I'm always concerned when laws are made with names inspired from athletic activities), Considering 1/4th of prisoners are non-violent drug offenders (25%) and 4/10 prisoners end up back in jail within 3 years of release (40%), perhaps that has something to do with the problem. According to the 3 last sources, in excess of 50% of prisoners are non-violent offenders.

Out of prisoners under state jurisdiction, 26.5% were convicted of either murder, manslaughter, rape or "other sexual assault".

Out of prisoners under federal jurisdiction, you had about 12000 for violent crimes and in excess of 70000 for drug crimes.

Perhaps killing roughly 346000 (state) and 12000 federal prisoners, getting rid of mandatory minimum sentences and prison sentences in general for non-violent, victim-less crimes, and releasing in excess of half the prison population is a slightly better solution.

http://reason.com/archives/2011/06/08/prison-math
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/pim09st.pdf
http://www.cjcj.org/files/americas.pdf
http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/09/ ... opulation/

*Grabs two AA-12's with 32 round drum magazines loaded with FRAG-12 rounds and goes on a killing spree in Guttenberg.*

Overcrowding is serious business!



Any proof?

My previous expectations in this thread were based on this article, which reaches the opposite conclusion (at least for sexual offenders)
http://www.stjohns.edu/media/3/01a2886f ... 2ca8c6.pdf

And it's a *feminist* article (patriarchy, womyn, etc. GAH!) But from a game theoretical perspective, it actually makes some sense (see page 1164).


I take back the "bastion of civilization" part. Oh, and it might be wise to be *somewhat* sceptical about Chinese crime rates. I just phoned Popper (BTW, he was *seriously* pissed off at being interrupted in his new job of being long-dead) and he confirmed that China was on the "Enemies" side of "The Open Society and its Enemies".

I agree 100%
They're nothing but a waste of space. There is never any excuse for sexual assault. Ever.
I don't think it'll make males with such dispositions to fear the law enough to not do it, but it'll make sure that ******* **** never does it again. I would add that the victim would never have to fear running into her rapist/molester again, but that would just make the bleeding hearts yell for life in prison.
death sentence (and one-child policy) = the only things China has gotten right.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304520804576349181022278452.html and http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_m ... per-capita China isnt even on the list for top murders. or rapes! http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_r ... per-capita crime in general http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime now when it comes to executions http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_e ... executions China is ranked number 1.The death penalty works!

What about raping a rapist?

Actually, there was a case like what you're referring to in Texas, a man caught someone raping his daughter and killed the rapist with his bare hands. A prosecutor actually tried to press charges and finally gave up saying that they wouldn't be able to find a jury that would convict the man (not to mention the Judge would probably throw the case out).

I'm in big favor of that if they get the girl pregnant. They should have their parental rights stripped too.

Hmmm ... what if a murderer later saved someone else's life? It wouldn't undo what they did, but would it redeem them? What if they gave their own life to defend another, would that make them not a 'bad person' anymore?

That..is AWESOME!! !!

These statistics are only useful if they are accurate. Your first link actually states that crime is highly under-reported in China. And there are no official Chinese execution statistics (and therefore no data on why the inmates were sentenced to death.)

Furthermore, a death penalty for rape could in fact (as previously mentioned) provide an incentive to under-report rape (not quite as easy with murder, as there would be a corpse).

It is also difficult to compare the death penalty rate with particular crimes, when China hands down capital punishment for drug smuggling, robberies, corruption and counterfeiting - None of which involving murder or rape.

And until just recently, these were capital crimes in China:

Smuggling cultural relics, gold, silver, and other precious metals and rare animals and their products out of the country
Carrying out fraudulent activities with financial bills
Carrying out fraudulent activities with letters of credit
The false issuance of exclusive value-added tax invoices to defraud export tax refunds or to offset taxes
The forging or selling of forged exclusive value-added tax invoices
The teaching of crime-committing methods
Robbing ancient cultural ruins

Source: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/c ... 750127.htm

... Imagine if Wall Street was situated in China .

.. And now I am not even dealing with the entire "Wrongful Execution" aspect.

Last edited by GGPViper on 03 Nov 2012, 2:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.

That is what happens to rapists and child molesters in prison(I'm not saying it's right,just a fact),there are many murderers and gang members who would never hurt a woman or child,they are already lifers so they have nothing to lose by raping what they consider to be the scum of the earth.Our neighbor that molested his little granddaughter got repeatedly raped in prison and contracted Hepatitis from it.

*ahem*. Only rapists and child molesters?

Sorry,other people who are weaker and defenseless also get raped,I meant no disrespect to some young person who committed a crime of stupidity and gets abused.