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Is Fox News a cult?
Yes 53%  53%  [ 20 ]
No 39%  39%  [ 15 ]
Just Show the Results 8%  8%  [ 3 ]
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05 Nov 2012, 5:36 am

TheBicyclingGuitarist wrote:
I am amused but not surprised by the recent studies that show people who rely upon Fox News as their main or sole source of information about what's going on are LESS well informed than people who watch NO NEWS AT ALL! This was a local (statewide) study at first, but then they repeated the study nationwide with the same results.

The Daily Show on the Comedy Channel is a more reliable source of accurate information about what's going on than Fox News is.


To be fair, The Daily Show also beat MSNBC, CNN and Talk Radio. And when it came to international news, MSNBC viewers were also less informed than those not watching news at all (although not as pronounced as the Fox crowd).

I wonder how it would look if we investigated the segment that watched the Colbert Report (although I suspect a significant overlap with The Daily Show viewers).



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05 Nov 2012, 5:58 am

those arent really news programmes as such are they?

arent they more opinion based talk shows about politics?


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05 Nov 2012, 7:32 am

TheBicyclingGuitarist wrote:
I am amused but not surprised by the recent studies that show people who rely upon Fox News as their main or sole source of information about what's going on are LESS well informed than people who watch NO NEWS AT ALL! This was a local (statewide) study at first, but then they repeated the study nationwide with the same results.

The Daily Show on the Comedy Channel is a more reliable source of accurate information about what's going on than Fox News is.


That could be either because Fox viewers are less intelligent to begin with, or because Fox lobotomizes them.



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05 Nov 2012, 7:52 am

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Because they can tune into comedy central, bill maher, tune into NPR, or read the NYTimes and never miss a beat. You only have Fox News as the ONLY conservative outlet on cable. And that is why it blows MSNBC and CNN and ABC,CBS,NBC away, because you hear one of those, you've heard them all, but you can only hear conservative opinions on Fox.

For the record, I hate Fox. I've seen a few clips on the internet and I cannot stand 90% of the content I've seen, the exception being John Stossel, he always has some rational, fun pieces to report on, or when I catch up with Charles Krauthammer on RCP.


That may depend in part on what you mean by "Conservative." If by "Conservative" you mean "Batshit Crazy", then, of course, Fox "News" is your station.

Back in the olden days, when CNN was the only 24-hour cable news channel, they had shows like "Crossfire", with an ostensible "Liberal" on the left, an ostensible "Conservative" on the right, and someone being grilled in the middle. They may have something like that now--I don't know.

William F. Buckley, who was considered quite "Conservative" in his day (but who might lose credibility among modern "Conservatives" due to his apparent intelligence and erudition) hosted Firing Line on PBS. I think that PBS may still have some people on its political round-table news-discussion shows who could be labeled "Conservative" if they were a bit dumber.

I haven't tuned into network news shows in many years, other than The Colbert Report and occasionally NPR radio in the car.



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05 Nov 2012, 8:35 am

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http://www.howcultswork.com/

A cult doesn't necessarily need to be an active religion to be called a cult.

An important feature of the cult is Information Control.

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Those who control the information control the person. In a mind control cult any information from outside the cult is considered evil, especially if it is opposing the cult. Members are told not to read it or believe it. Only information supplied by the cult is true. One cult labels any information against it as "persecution" or "spiritual pornography", another cult calls it "apostate literature" and will expel you from the group if you are caught with it. Cults train their members to instantly destroy any critical information given to them, and to not even entertain the thought that the information could be true.


Just ask Inuyasha to read something from Media Matters. He has been thoroughly trained over his Cult's required response.


After I posted links to some Fox News videos that were on Media Matters' website

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf210955-0-150.html
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Fact of the matter is that some people here (Cornflake, ArrantPariah are two examples), that are ideologues that refuse to face reality... I may have a bias, but I'm not so biased that I can't see reality unlike the two of you. ....

Mediamatters, is not a valid news source, never has been; especially after their declared jihad towards Fox News, they are in serious danger of losing their tax exempt status (which they should) if Romney gets elected.....

It is called video editting ArrantPariah, considering I don't know what parts mediamatters editted out, without having to then track down original uneditted copies, I can't ascertain the validity of the clips and media matters has a very poor track record on this due to their declaration of war on Fox News...

The far-left wing organization Media Matters - funded in part by George Soros - announced it is engaging in what Politico calls an "all-out campaign" of "guerrilla warfare and sabotage" against Fox News...

I haven't watched any of the links you posted up from media matters, and I really don't care to, the fact they pretty much declared a "jihad" against Fox News, makes their credibility rather suspect when it comes to their reporting on Fox News....

I really don't feel like taking the time to track down videos like I had to the last time when some people here were trying to take Glenn Beck out of context in order to falsely claim that he wanted people shot in the head...

The liberal group Media Matters has quietly transformed itself in preparation for what its founder, David Brock, described in an interview as an all-out campaign of “guerrilla warfare and sabotage” aimed at the Fox News Channel....

ArrantPariah, considering mediamatters essentially declared a jihad against Fox News, I hardly think mediamatters is a valid source on anything when it comes to Fox News....


This is a lot more than what you would get even from, say a Mormon, or a Jehovah's Witness, or a Moonie, or a Rajneeshee, or an Amway member, if he came to your door and you handed him a Baptist (or other) brochure against his cult. And, what I provided wasn't even against the Fox News cult--just links to some Fox News videos.



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05 Nov 2012, 11:30 am

Inuyasha wrote:
Jacoby he's just trying to flamebait me and other conservatives like yourself, because he can't stand the fact Fox News isn't worshipping Obama. He can't stand his left wing views being challenged.


http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5009622 ... t=#5009622
Inuyasha wrote:
Fact of the matter is that some people here (Cornflake, ArrantPariah are two examples), that are ideologues that refuse to face reality


http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5008750 ... t=#5008750
Inuyasha wrote:
Liberals don't want people to see the children they are planning on killing, cause they might not have the abortion then


http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf147261-0-345.html
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Stop drinking the Kool-aid...
And people wonder why I have such a low opinion of liberals...if you look at their "beloved" Bill Clinton, seems to me we see more sexual abuse being celebrated by Democrats.


http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt178306.html
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You have called me an anti-semite, racist, you have implied that I was brainless, heartless, etc., so I'm not going to indulge in your attempts to bully me because I don't share your political views. So it's blatently obvious to me that this is just another attempt by you to try to turn this into a bashfest directed towards me hoping I will retailiate so you can get me in trouble with a moderator, well sorry but I'm not playing along.


etc., etc., etc.

Character-assassination techniques are also commonly employed by cults.

http://www.howcultswork.com/

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Character Assassination is a type of false reasoning used by people and groups who have no real arguments. The technical name for Character Assassination is "The Ad Hominem Fallacy". This is how it works. Imagine if you will a conversation between two men, Ford and Arthur:

"One plus one equals three", says Ford.
"No I don't think so. You see when I have one thing, and I have another thing, then I have two things not three", replies Arthur.
"I see your point, but what you must realize is that one plus one when calculated in relation to this complex number domain, which I just invented, and then squared by the sum of the ninth tangent in the sequence of the Fibonacci series results in three!", stated Ford triumphantly.

Ok, Ford is wrong, but that is not the point. The point is that Ford tried to answer Arthur's reasoning with more reasoning of his own. This is the healthy way people and groups debate subjects. Now lets see what would have happened if Ford had used Character Assassination…

"Arthur I have been a mathematician longer than you. How dare you disagree with me! You are obviously a very smug and prideful person. I think you are disagreeing with me because you are jealous of me, and to be honest with you Arthur your rebellion has really hurt me and a lot of other people too", stated Ford his face intimidatingly close to Arthur's.

You see Ford didn't answer Arthur's argument, instead he attacked his character. If you are not aware of how Character Assassination works then it is a powerful way to exert control over you.


The Ad Hominem Fallacy is deployed quite frequently by regular Fox "News" viewers, and you will hear the same fallacies all of the time on Fox "News", as they lash out hysterically against Liberals, President Obama, George Soros, Media Matters, and a number of other imagined boogie-men.

With respect to the first assertion, that I "can't stand the fact Fox News isn't worshipping Obama", and that I can't stand my "left wing views being challenged": I certainly do not worship President Obama, nor do I object to anyone not worshipping President Obama. I do, however, object to Fox News' non-stop insipid character assassination of the President. If they ever had anything intelligent to say, then fine. But, they don't. Moreover, I do not object to my "views being challenged", nor even to having my views labeled as "left wing" (it is only a label), provided the arguments are intelligent and reasoned. If people have no real arguments, and have nothing more to offer than character assassination techniques, then it gets really old really fast.

So, yes, Fox "News" would seem to fall within the purview of a "cult", with viewers functioning as cult members.



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05 Nov 2012, 12:28 pm

I think not just if you are running a negative piece on a canidate but why you are running a negative piece on a canidate should offer some things. I think MSNBC's criticisms of Obama make a whole lot more sense than Fox News criticisms and are more persuasive to me. I saw surge failing in Afghanistan and how violence actually increased than Fox News using body langauge experts to attack the president that just makes me hate the news programming. I have seen CNN actually do the body langauge stupidity too. Also can't politicians use a so called liberal media bias to get away with stuff as a conservative.



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05 Nov 2012, 3:47 pm

It isn't a cult in itself, but it is the news station of choice of some cults.


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05 Nov 2012, 4:18 pm

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It isn't a cult in itself, but it is the news station of choice of some cults.


What cult?

There are a few things that actually got me to stop watching the other media outlets. Among them are:

Incident in 2001, New York Times on 9/11/2001

''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago. The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/11/books ... wanted=all

An incident in 2004 from CBS News; also known as memogate or Rathergate.

An incident in 2006 known a Reutergate, but also dragged several other media outlets into that scandal.



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05 Nov 2012, 4:25 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
It isn't a cult in itself, but it is the news station of choice of some cults.


What cult?

There are a few things that actually got me to stop watching the other media outlets. Among them are:

Incident in 2001, New York Times on 9/11/2001

''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago. The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/11/books ... wanted=all

An incident in 2004 from CBS News; also known as memogate or Rathergate.

An incident in 2006 known a Reutergate, but also dragged several other media outlets into that scandal.


Lots of the far right religious groups think that Fox is the only truthful station, and the rest of them are trying to push "Satan's Agenda". I live smack dab in the middle of those groups too.


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05 Nov 2012, 4:33 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
It isn't a cult in itself, but it is the news station of choice of some cults.


What cult?

There are a few things that actually got me to stop watching the other media outlets.


That's a sign right there. When did you become a Fox News devotee? What drew you in? And, why do you remain so intensely aware of the New York Times piece?



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05 Nov 2012, 4:43 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
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It isn't a cult in itself, but it is the news station of choice of some cults.


What cult?

There are a few things that actually got me to stop watching the other media outlets.


That's a sign right there. When did you become a Fox News devotee? What drew you in? And, why do you remain so intensely aware of the New York Times piece?


Because I have a very good long term memory ArrantPariah, if something makes it into my long term memory I can often recall it fairly easily.

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Lots of the far right religious groups think that Fox is the only truthful station, and the rest of them are trying to push "Satan's Agenda". I live smack dab in the middle of those groups too.


What makes someone "far right?" I'm being quite serious, while there are some fringe groups on the right, they really don't have all that much influence, and while the media loves to claim the tea party is some kind of dangerous cult or fringe group, the Tea Party is primarily made up of people that want fiscal accountability in Washington and think the Government has overstepped it's bounds in certain areas (such as the government takeover of healthcare). From a social standpoint, the Tea Party is made up of a pretty diverse group of people, and yes there are social liberals (whom are fiscal conservatives) that are in the Tea Party).



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05 Nov 2012, 5:28 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
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It isn't a cult in itself, but it is the news station of choice of some cults.


What cult?

There are a few things that actually got me to stop watching the other media outlets.


That's a sign right there. When did you become a Fox News devotee? What drew you in? And, why do you remain so intensely aware of the New York Times piece?


Because I have a very good long term memory ArrantPariah, if something makes it into my long term memory I can often recall it fairly easily.



You maintain, then, that until September 11, 2001, when you were 9 years old, you regularly read the New York Times, and that when you read the Bill Ayers piece on that date, you immediately canceled your subscription?

If so, you missed Bill's Letter-to-the-Editor, which sought to clarify some things in the article:
http://billayers.wordpress.com/2008/04/ ... 9-15-2001/

Bill Ayers became a major topic for Fox News in 2008, when they were desperately smearing then Senator Obama in any way they could, in hopes of winning the election for Mrs. Palin and her running mate. Prior to that, one heard practically nothing about Mr. Ayers. Fox News routinely bashes the New York Times as being a liberal scumrag, because Rupert Murdoch doesn't own it yet. I suspect that, by 2008, you had already become a Fox News devotee, and that Fox News simply planted this memory into your mind.



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05 Nov 2012, 5:32 pm

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Because they can tune into comedy central, bill maher, tune into NPR, or read the NYTimes and never miss a beat. You only have Fox News as the ONLY conservative outlet on cable. And that is why it blows MSNBC and CNN and ABC,CBS,NBC away, because you hear one of those, you've heard them all, but you can only hear conservative opinions on Fox.

For the record, I hate Fox. I've seen a few clips on the internet and I cannot stand 90% of the content I've seen, the exception being John Stossel, he always has some rational, fun pieces to report on, or when I catch up with Charles Krauthammer on RCP.


That may depend in part on what you mean by "Conservative." If by "Conservative" you mean "Batshit Crazy", then, of course, Fox "News" is your station.

Back in the olden days, when CNN was the only 24-hour cable news channel, they had shows like "Crossfire", with an ostensible "Liberal" on the left, an ostensible "Conservative" on the right, and someone being grilled in the middle. They may have something like that now--I don't know.

William F. Buckley, who was considered quite "Conservative" in his day (but who might lose credibility among modern "Conservatives" due to his apparent intelligence and erudition) hosted Firing Line on PBS. I think that PBS may still have some people on its political round-table news-discussion shows who could be labeled "Conservative" if they were a bit dumber.

I haven't tuned into network news shows in many years, other than The Colbert Report and occasionally NPR radio in the car.


David Brooks is the only conservative I am aware of that is on PBS's NewsHour, he and Mark Shields debate the issues of the week every friday, and unfortunately, Newshour is one of my few sources for news, here is the most recent episode from last friday, specifically the segment where the two sides debate.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8Spq7aiqSI[/youtube]

We don't have any of the columnists of the WSJ's editorials, Weekly Standard, NRO, Hoover Institute, City-Journal, Reason, on ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, Comedy Central, etc. Fox is entertainment, I don't find most of the things on there entertaining but I can't get Stossel or Krauthammer anywhere else, and unlike MSNBC... Fox have better and more articulate Liberals then all of the other stations ever do Conservatives. There is an agenda, and it is to keep conservative thought away from the public.


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05 Nov 2012, 7:22 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:
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It isn't a cult in itself, but it is the news station of choice of some cults.


What cult?

There are a few things that actually got me to stop watching the other media outlets.


That's a sign right there. When did you become a Fox News devotee? What drew you in? And, why do you remain so intensely aware of the New York Times piece?


Because I have a very good long term memory ArrantPariah, if something makes it into my long term memory I can often recall it fairly easily.



You maintain, then, that until September 11, 2001, when you were 9 years old, you regularly read the New York Times, and that when you read the Bill Ayers piece on that date, you immediately canceled your subscription?

If so, you missed Bill's Letter-to-the-Editor, which sought to clarify some things in the article:
http://billayers.wordpress.com/2008/04/ ... 9-15-2001/

Bill Ayers became a major topic for Fox News in 2008, when they were desperately smearing then Senator Obama in any way they could, in hopes of winning the election for Mrs. Palin and her running mate. Prior to that, one heard practically nothing about Mr. Ayers. Fox News routinely bashes the New York Times as being a liberal scumrag, because Rupert Murdoch doesn't own it yet. I suspect that, by 2008, you had already become a Fox News devotee, and that Fox News simply planted this memory into your mind.



I really don't care about Bill Ayers' letter to the editor, I care how the New York Times wrote the story.

Btw, I only listed a handful of what led me to completely distrust the other networks and many other media outlets.

@ MarketAndChurch

The trick with Fox News if you have to know when their News Segments are and when their "editorials" are.

In the case of Special Report the editorials start at 6:30 eastern time. Sheppard Smith's program at 7 pm is a straight up news hour. Then from 8 pm on you normally get commentators like O'Reilly, Hannity, and Greta.

One trick that many people use to try to claim Fox News' "bias" is they try to compare other networks "news" segments to Sean Hannity, that's like comparing apples and bowling balls. Sean Hannity is a commentator, if he is comparable to other Networks' news broadcasts then that should set off some alarm bells.



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05 Nov 2012, 8:05 pm

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The trick with Fox News if you have to know when their News Segments are and when their "editorials" are.

In the case of Special Report the editorials start at 6:30 eastern time. Sheppard Smith's program at 7 pm is a straight up news hour. Then from 8 pm on you normally get commentators like O'Reilly, Hannity, and Greta.

One trick that many people use to try to claim Fox News' "bias" is they try to compare other networks "news" segments to Sean Hannity, that's like comparing apples and bowling balls. Sean Hannity is a commentator, if he is comparable to other Networks' news broadcasts then that should set off some alarm bells.


And thats an important distinction that should be reminded to people. I hold commentary of Fox to be more for "insightful" entertainment. The comparisons should be equal, I would not compare the Mclaughlin Group with Rachael Maddow or Hannity.

I am more of a reader, the quick sound bites and the commercial nature of cable programming, by definition, means they will never dive too deeply, in a meaningful way, into any great issue on many commentary shows. That's what the consumer wants though, with their irreversibly dimmed attention spans, they need digestible material they can regurgitate. I like Simple, too. But not Simplistic.

Anyways, thank you for that, I hope to check out Sheppard Smith's show. I don't have a TV, but I'll see if I can catch it somewhere that has Fox. Hopefully some of the many columnists I read are featured on there.


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