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09 Nov 2012, 1:49 pm

Atleast Race, Class and the enviroment are three things. Your coalition of conservative interests are united by one thing: Lower my taxes because I'm rich and entitled.



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09 Nov 2012, 1:57 pm

All I had to see was the name Eric Dondero and without even reading the article I can tell you the man appears to be mentally unstable and shouldn't be taken seriously. He was Ron Paul aide that was fired years ago presumably for incompetence and had a breakdown of sorts and now his life's mission is plotting revenge against Ron Paul and promoting his weird 'big government libertarianism' by supporting candidates like Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, and Mitt Romney. He's a fringe character to say the least.



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09 Nov 2012, 2:08 pm

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All I had to see was the name Eric Dondero and without even reading the article I can tell you the man appears to be mentally unstable and shouldn't be taken seriously. He was Ron Paul aide that was fired years ago presumably for incompetence and had a breakdown of sorts and now his life's mission is plotting revenge against Ron Paul and promoting his weird 'big government libertarianism' by supporting candidates like Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, and Mitt Romney. He's a fringe character to say the least.


Sounds like a candidate for a straightjacket.

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09 Nov 2012, 2:58 pm

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You know, it's stuff like this (link) that lead people to characterize the Republican party and also Libertarians as being soulless scumbags.

It also doesn't help the GOP that their leading candidate is caught speaking crap like this in public:
  • "Tomorrow we begin a new tomorrow." -- Mitt Romney on his final day of campaigning, Nov. 5, 2012
  • "I should tell my story. I'm also unemployed." -- GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney, speaking in 2011 to unemployed people in Florida. Romney's net worth is over $200 million.
  • "He [Obama] says we need more firemen, more policemen, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people." -- Mitt Romney at a campaign event in Council Bluffs, Iowa, June 8, 2012
  • "Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea." -- Mitt Romney during the third presidential debate. In fact, Iran and Syria do not share a border and Iran has direct access to international waters through its large coastline on the Gulf. (Oct. 22, 2012)
  • "I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that's the America millions of Americans believe in. That's the America I love." -- Mitt Romney (January 2012)
... and this man graduated from Harvard?! !

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12 Nov 2012, 2:22 am

aghogday wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
abacacus wrote:

As the human race advances, it will forget its superstitions. There is no avoiding that. The Greek and Roman gods have been forgotten. The Pagan gods have been forgotten. Ahura-Mazda has been forgotten. One day, God will be relegated to the same "man, people used to believe this?" pile of discarded religions.


Humans have been living in cities and communities for 10,000 years. That is when the agricultural mode became dominant compared to the hunter-gatherer mode. In that time people are still praying to unnatural beings and hoping that the deity of their choice will suspend the laws of physics just for them.

The superstitions are wired into our genes and we have to work damned hard to over ride them.

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The social welfare state has become the majority source of religious related affiliations in some European Countries. It is still suspending the laws of physics to believe that the social welfare state is an eternal source of support, but as long as it provides hope and faith for another good day, the beneficial effect is similar.

The provision of health care reform, in the US, will likely only exacerbate the move for some away from religious affiliation. But, a choice of not reproducing, for any species as a whole, or isolated country, is not necessarily a good thing either, that also appears to come with this entire modern package of abilities outside inherent nature.

The culture in Japan, is providing some direct evidence of what happens when this phenomenon moves to the more extreme levels in a relatively isolated area, where immigration of those still reproducing is not an easy goal to obtain, as seniors are expected to comprise 40% of that population by the year 2060,

Several nationwide polls done in Japan indicate anywhere from 70 to 80% of that country has no religious affiliation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/01/30/japan-population-crisis-shrink-one-third_n_1241350.html?just_reloaded=1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Japan

The overall implications for western civilizations, in general, are staggering, as a life of human isolation is becoming a "social norm" in Japan. It's a generally uncommon phenomenon when social animals lose their interest in reproduction with other flesh and blood social animals.

http://www.anthropoetics.ucla.edu/ap1801/1801taylor.htm

Which leads me back to the prophetic vision of John Calhoun here, in his "behavioral sink experiment" of what happens to social animals, when social roles disappear and resources for subsistence are still abundant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Calhoun#1962-1963

As much as one might discount the value of organized religion, it provides the potential for social roles well after employment, spouses, neighborhood friends, and children disappear. So do local bars and Bowling leagues, but they too are becoming a rarer reality of life. Does technology provide an equivalent substitute?. If Japan, South Korea, and Hong Kong, is any indication, at best the answer is questionable. And at the same time, part of the reason the opportunities and motivation for those other opportunities are disappearing, as well. This is really not nearly the issue when one is young and healthy as opposed to when one is older and not quite so healthy, as evidenced in Japan.

I have a difficult time understanding Republican viewpoints, at times, but perhaps whether cognizant or non-cognizant some are literally fighting for what they experience as a "hardwired" instinct for survival, for what they understand has worked in life, for generations. Tradition. While others may view the issue in a more "progressive", "experimental" sense, for a greater inclusion of others.

The US remains a melting pot for continued sufficient human social and political balance, as the new traditions are becoming ethnic ones.

While the borders may concern some, they are a driving force of the continued survival of the country. In terms of flesh and blood human beings; insurance for continued reproduction.



I can't believe I missed this... Very interesting post.

Here are three articles, the first is laughable, I don't know what credibility it has but I have entertained the notion that perhaps they the Japanese do not like, want, or enjoy sex.
http://www.newgeography.com/content/003 ... ese-single

It is a conservative source so they make the correlation that much of it has to do with housing and an environment that is supportive of the familial ideal.
http://www.newgeography.com/content/003 ... ascendancy

It also seems to be spreading to Singapore, Hong Kong, Seoul, and most of Asia in general:
http://www.newgeography.com/content/003 ... tys-future


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12 Nov 2012, 11:14 am

Fnord wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
You know, it's stuff like this (link) that lead people to characterize the Republican party and also Libertarians as being soulless scumbags.

It also doesn't help the GOP that their leading candidate is caught speaking crap like this in public:
  • "Tomorrow we begin a new tomorrow." -- Mitt Romney on his final day of campaigning, Nov. 5, 2012
  • "I should tell my story. I'm also unemployed." -- GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney, speaking in 2011 to unemployed people in Florida. Romney's net worth is over $200 million.
  • "He [Obama] says we need more firemen, more policemen, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people." -- Mitt Romney at a campaign event in Council Bluffs, Iowa, June 8, 2012
  • "Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea." -- Mitt Romney during the third presidential debate. In fact, Iran and Syria do not share a border and Iran has direct access to international waters through its large coastline on the Gulf. (Oct. 22, 2012)
  • "I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that's the America millions of Americans believe in. That's the America I love." -- Mitt Romney (January 2012)
... and this man graduated from Harvard?! !

:roll:


And Kerry and Dubya both graduated from Yale. There is a long standing tradition of the gentleman's "C". Going to a top school is no guarantee of intellectual accomplishment.

Mitf suffers from two defects. One he is ignorant. and Two he is stupid.

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12 Nov 2012, 3:33 pm

The GOP suffers from one great defect, which is how they are perceived by others. The GOP is perceived as:

* Ephebiphobic - Unreasonably fearful of or hating youths, or anyone or anything with youthful behavior or qualities.

* Gynephobic - Unreasonably fearful of or hating women, or anyone or anything with female behavior or qualities.

* Homophobic - Unreasonably fearful of or hating homosexuals, or anyone or anything with homosexual behavior or qualities.

* Peniaphobic - Unreasonably fearful of or hating anyone or anything of limited wealth or value.

* Socially Obtuse - Out of touch with the aggregate population.

* Xenophobic - Unreasonably fearful of or hating anyone or anything foreign or strange.

Put Mitt Romney's face on all of the above, and I have to wonder why anyone ever voted for him at all!


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12 Nov 2012, 9:49 pm

Fnord wrote:
The GOP suffers from one great defect, which is how they are perceived by others. The GOP is perceived as:

* Ephebiphobic - Unreasonably fearful of or hating youths, or anyone or anything with youthful behavior or qualities.

* Gynephobic - Unreasonably fearful of or hating women, or anyone or anything with female behavior or qualities.

* Homophobic - Unreasonably fearful of or hating homosexuals, or anyone or anything with homosexual behavior or qualities.

* Peniaphobic - Unreasonably fearful of or hating anyone or anything of limited wealth or value.

* Socially Obtuse - Out of touch with the aggregate population.

* Xenophobic - Unreasonably fearful of or hating anyone or anything foreign or strange.

Put Mitt Romney's face on all of the above, and I have to wonder why anyone ever voted for him at all!


I would imagine because many of his supporters fit those qualifications themselves.

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13 Nov 2012, 12:15 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Fnord wrote:
The GOP suffers from one great defect, which is how they are perceived by others. The GOP is perceived as:

* Ephebiphobic - Unreasonably fearful of or hating youths, or anyone or anything with youthful behavior or qualities.

* Gynephobic - Unreasonably fearful of or hating women, or anyone or anything with female behavior or qualities.

* Homophobic - Unreasonably fearful of or hating homosexuals, or anyone or anything with homosexual behavior or qualities.

* Peniaphobic - Unreasonably fearful of or hating anyone or anything of limited wealth or value.

* Socially Obtuse - Out of touch with the aggregate population.

* Xenophobic - Unreasonably fearful of or hating anyone or anything foreign or strange.

Put Mitt Romney's face on all of the above, and I have to wonder why anyone ever voted for him at all!


I would imagine because many of his supporters fit those qualifications themselves.

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The objects of fear appear to be characteristics necessary for egalitarianism, to be avoided at all costs, if one is to retain the older grand tradition of patriarchy. There appears to be no escape now, it is everywhere one looks, from the Latino's with new ethnic traditions, to the female dominated social networking sites spreading the get out to vote message, along with the youth with a new ideology of a more inclusive tolerance for others that are different because more are now raised among others that are different, and finally to the disillusionment of what an American Dream is.

The grand old tradition of patriarchy is fading into an explosion of change. What drives it? At least in part, the expanding freedom of information exchange. There is no longer the potential of a limited number of partially censored messages, and along with that comes a loss of a generally understood idea of tradition, because there have to be points of commonality for a tradition to exist.

What type of social mind are human beings evolved for, now that culture has evolved the ability to evolve independently of the hand of humans? It has moved well beyond the hands of rural traditional republican patriarchy and church, where those controls of culture, at least in presidential elections, no longer seem to be effective.

Without patriarchy and the church, I don't see how there can be a republican party on a national level. I can't imagine anything else that can tie it together, and those ties of commonality are already not required to vote as a democrat.

The only answers for the republicans provided so far, appear to be an actual move away from patriarchy and church, as the right wing talk show host Mike Gallagher is suggesting it's time to move toward approving gay civil marriages, and even Sean Hannity has moved toward the stance of allowing illegal immigrants to establish legal residency. If Bill O'Reilly says it's time to support abortion, the ties may eventually be effectively cut. I suppose that might be the nuclear option. :)



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13 Nov 2012, 12:48 am

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Here are three articles, the first is laughable, I don't know what credibility it has but I have entertained the notion that perhaps they the Japanese do not like, want, or enjoy sex.
http://www.newgeography.com/content/003 ... ese-single


I've also heard theories that porn is killing real sex with real people in Japan, but at least for the rates of Autism, as I understand the highest among official government sponsored estimates, the neon lights that were highlighted in this article can not be helping those with sensory issues.

I don't know why but I never noticed the extent of it until I saw that particular picture.

That really is an example of cranked up commercialization aimed at dopamine release, even if there aren't too many pictures of cleavage. No wonder some of those people that live there are not venturing outside at night to meet other real live people, and remaining inside with comic books, etc. It is amazing what human beings are capable of producing, adapting to, and living with.

https://www.google.com/search?q=japan+a ... 24&bih=602