Something's a bit out of balance here.

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Well that's fine if you don't watch TV, but you can get your sides viewpoint going to high school, college, standing in line at the checkout counter and having Time, Newsweek right in front of you, you see it reconfirmed by every Liberal around you as liberals very often do not have conservative friends. LIberals don't marry conservatives, either.

Pew has done a study and discovers that Liberals are more likely to be ideologically pure as far as their friends on social media goes. They ban comments, or straight up cut you from their network.

Gallup has done a study where they note Liberals are more comfortable with mainstream media, upwards of 60%, whereas conservatives only 30% of conservatives don't think the media is biased and reports accurately.





No, because that is the only way the Left can square supporting movements that have wiped out more then 100,000,000 human beings. The Right cannot be noble, in their eyes, so though evil is squarely weighted on our end, what moral equivalent can we attribute to them? Attend college. My Professor the other day made the comparison between the Bengahzi terrorists and the preacher in Florida who wanted to burn a Koran. One is burning a stupid book, the other is the loss of lives, but one of the same to one on the Left. They have their abortion clinic bombers, so they can't speak about our terrorists.

Our Military maintaining the world's stable energy and trade market is what brought 4 billion people out of poverty. We are the engine of growth that spurred pretty much all of that, and our standard of living is owed entirely to a stable world where nations are not warring at each other but participating in the markets and rising out of poverty. Which was a great task to achieve considering how low collectivists religions degraded the living standards of much of the world.

The GOP objection to health care is the governmental control of the market, and the Obama's administrations Leftwing approach to it: Coverage, instead of Cost. The Obama administration doesn't necessarily have "misplaced" priorities... they just have "Left-wing" priorities. Equality is the governing value. It is not fair that 15% does not have health care, so instead of lowering costs for the 85% who do have health care so that the market is affordable enough to accept the 15% who are without it, we will raise coverage so that risk is diversified in our nationalized pool of participants, and that the 85% will cover the 15%, and make a more equal system. Equality is the aim of the Left with regards to health care. It is the minority and compassion that governs every policy that comes from that end of the spectrum.

you are full of yourself,

america certainly had a role to play in an international economy but were the united states army to disapear tomorrow there would still exist free trade.

MarketandChurch, you are aware that your liberal conspiracy theory can apply to communities where conservatives are the majority equally, right? The problem is not liberals. The problem is human nature.

I wasn't actually addressing Raptor's purity of thought argument, he just happened to have the quote I wanted to use in his signature and I acknowledged that. I was responding to the OP, and explaining some of why it is that liberals annoy me *slightly* more than conservatives, a topic I've spoken of before. I'm not going to make a case for conservativism as I'm not a conservative, I just happen to enjoy arguing against aspects of liberalism, especially when it tries to claim unearned high grounds.

Whatever. Where I live there's no absolutely no shortage of conservatives. Grand Rapids is practically owned by a few families of deeply conservative rich folk. I can't recall how much the Amways' and Devos' donated to the repugs. Things are changing with the younger generations but the old school culture of West Michigan is still all about dour stern Calvinism. If you are rich you are part of God's "elect" and are being rewarded for your thrift and enterprising spirit. On the other hand, if you are poor God is punishing you for being a moocher. There is no end to crusty old rich conservatives bitching about "Obamacare" and fearing that their taxes are going to go up.


The point isn't that extremists on opposite ends are morally equivalent. The point is that two wrongs don't make a right. I think most sane people will agree Al Qaeda terrorists are a bit more extreme than Christian fundamentalists living the US. The existence of violent Islamic fundamentalists doesn't justify hating and fearing every single Muslim on the planet.


This just doesn't line up with reality. It's an overly simplistic, arrogant, and self-congratulatory view that insults even our allies. Capitalism has proven itself triumphant but it is also true that pro-market governments and trade organizations have overstepped at times, trampled people's rights, and even worsened poverty. The only justification I ever hear from conservatives is "well, communism is worse, look at North Korea". Sorry, but the world isn't that black and white. Not all socialist governments were as abusive as the very worst cases.


It's not about equality, it's about preventing suffering. Saying everyone should be able to afford basic coverage is not the same as saying everyone should have the same size house or the same size bank account. That the right contorts basic survival needs with luxuries is pretty damn insulting to those who suffer. The mainstream American "Left" is not about absolute equality. We have a few utopian Marxists on this board but they are far outside the mainstream. The mainstream American "Left" is about maintaining some provisions to meet the minimal needs so that fewer people suffer. American conservatives are pretty much out in loony land compared to the rest of the world in terms of what minimal things they expect from government. American conservatives are stuck in the 19th century.

Indeed...

A bit???? When was the last time a group of Christian fundies hijack an airline flight and crashed it into a tall building full of innocent folk? When was the last time a Christian fundie strapped on explosives and blew himself and innocent people up?

Christians stopped being bad-a** sometime in the 18th century. Muslim extremists have been going at it for 1400 years.

ruveyn

And your solution, nuke them all. Am I right?

It is a solution, but it is not a good solution. To be truthful, I do not know a practical way of ridding mankind of the plague of Islam. What do you propose?

ruveyn

The "thought purity" thing was more in jest, of course.
The Buckley quote, however, is not in jest because that reflects my experience with most liberals.

I hate the way that american reactionaries have made progressives synonomous with the word liberal.

There was once a Austrian fellow who tried to rid the mankind of a religious denomination through the construction of segregated villages and airtight cabins with hatches for the despatch of zyklone b gas pellets.

What say we give that a go?

Ironically the Gaza strip is already little more than a massive concentration camp.

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Although I’m not a Calvinist I’d really hate to see this country become totally bereft of “dour stern Calvinism”…….

Why? Calvinism is insane. It essentially says you are bad for being born and that God didn't choose you to be his one of his favorites. Who can put up with such a belief system if they were not born into prosperity?

You should move to West Michigan then. If you're from the south you'll have to get used to our dour stern weather as well though. The long dark cloudy winters inspire the drear and crotchety republican voters who threaten small children with their rifle for accidentally wandering onto their property.

I live in the southeast I'm not from it as I've said before. I've wintered in a colder place than Michigan so I know stern weather when I'm in it. Besides, plenty of places in the south have cold winters and snow. Spend some time in the Blue Ridge Mountains in the dead of winter and tell me how warm and tropical it is. Remember to pack your skis.

Apparently cold dreary winters spawn democrats since all of the northeast and Midwest/great lakes are all blue states. The only exception is Indiana, bless their souls.

PS: If you'd stop trespassing on your neighbor's property he wouldn't have to threaten you with his rifle.