Former KGB agent describes how "progressivism" met

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19 Nov 2012, 6:18 am

wow when he himself comes under fire the tone suddenly changes,


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19 Nov 2012, 11:08 am

John_Browning wrote:
Some live a simple rural lifestyle, but that is not the same as being less evolved.


This is totally true ... but there are also many tree huggers and hippies out there in the rural heartland.


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19 Nov 2012, 1:29 pm

Oodain wrote:
wow when he himself comes under fire the tone suddenly changes,

What? I didn't contact the mods. I only pointed out that personal attacks are inappropriate in a civilized debate.

It was pushing 3am local time when I posted that so I wanted to make it short and to the point.


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19 Nov 2012, 1:40 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
How would you consider fixing up the term where it actually makes real sense in this debate, rather than mixing up ideas.


Defining what people actually mean at the start, probably. It seems several sense are getting jumbled together, making equivocation type arguments rampant.


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19 Nov 2012, 2:55 pm

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So progressives are going to line conservatives up against the wall and shoot them. :roll:

Better grab your guns and take them out before they take you out. You gotta take out the president too. I know that's what you sick f**** think even though you can't say it because your ass would be reported. Democratic elections aren't good enough for you. The brown people are going to vote for whoever promises to give them more "free stuff" and we can't have that!! !! Grab your guns!


It is not healthy that a super tiny portion of the Right thinks that the Government will actually do this.

From the frantic messages I've read on the freeper forums it is not as "super tiny" as you think.

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But it is very healthy that almost all of the Right fears that an unrestrained Government can do this.

Government can regulate business, force people to buy health insurance, or even take measures that "redistribute" wealth in certain ways without being an existential threat to freedom. People can peacefully disagree on the role of government but it has always been the case that government can sometimes force people to do things they would prefer not to do. If people disagree with the things government forces them to do they can petition for change and challenge the current elected representatives. As long as freedom of speech and freedom of political dissent are maintained it is not tyrannical that an elected government can make you do things. Those last two items are the essential things that were missing in the Soviet Union. 99.9% of people in the US, regardless of ideology, agree that suppression of political freedom as a means to an ideological end is unacceptable.

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What is equally unhealthy as the tiny % of the right who holds certain conspiracies is that almost all of the Left - and their belief in the linear trajectory of progress - view the human being as having inherently progressed, and that we are then in a position to be the exception to history. They have the nerve to call the government fascistic but also want them to be the only ones who are armed. They think it can't happen again, because we are too smart and know better.

When history does repeat itself under their watch, amnesia ensues, and their back to ripping their society a new one with every epithet imaginable. It is an odd religion, the Left.

The problem is a certain faction of the right see's the left as some kind of existential threat, potentially justifying armed revolt in the case an election doesn't go their way. I can see such idiotic fear-driven people being the first to infringe on people's right to political dissent as we saw in the era of McCarthy hysteria. I can easily see a bunch of psychotic fear-driven reactionaries deciding to lynch Noam Chomsky for being a "threat to freedom".