Do you respect the rules of political correctness

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11 Feb 2013, 8:24 am

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"I hate n*****s. They're all lazy, crackheaded, fornicaing' welfare bums. Every last one. Everyone else here thinks the same thing as me, I'm just the only one with the guts [to be anti-PC] to say it out loud!"


That sounds like a racist arse-candle and not anyone I'd want to talk with.

There are people who are nasty racists and use the excuse political correctness as a cover, but you can work these people out. Just as there are those that use political correctness to stifle discussion of important issues.



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11 Feb 2013, 8:36 am

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I've never seen xenon advocate wiping Israel off the map, but I have seen him justly criticize Israeli's thuggish treatment of the Palestinians.


How is Israel's treatment of the Palestinians "thuggish'?

I have. I've seen him say that Israeli Jews have no right to be in the Middle East because they're colonisers, that European Jews were responsible for their own persecution in 1930s Europe, that Israel should be wiped from the map. I asked him - twice, point blank - whether he supported or agreed with the Nazi Holocaust. Both times he completely ignored me.

As for the Palestinians - how would you deal with a people who, on the whole, want to wipe out your country? This isn't like a Tibet situation, where the Tibetans simply ask for some autonomy from China, who have no right to the land of Tibet whatsoever, but have simply illegally invaded it. (It would be like the situation of Tibet if the Tibetans launched terrorist attacks against China every day and constantly called for China to be annihilated.)

How could Israel treat the Palestinians better? Bear in mind that, in a conflict like the Israelis are in, the disputed Judea and Samaria region is vital for that region's security and that this region was part of the original League of Nations map for the Jewish state, which the Arabs rejected. They have rejected peace all along, whereas the Israelis have supported it.

Most of what Israel is criticised for is either not their fault, or is dwarfed by the bad behaviour present in abundance elsewhere in the region.



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11 Feb 2013, 8:59 am

Political correctness doesn't have anything to do with being polite or not being racist, it's about trying to make people follow an arbitrary rule laid down by someone else, not because it's the right thing to do, but because otherwise they might look bad.

It comes from what politicians do when they're trying to be elected -- they avoid things that might make them *seem* bad, whether or not they actually agree and whether or not those things are actually bad. If a politician dodged the draft but thinks that draft-dodging is perfectly reasonable, they'll still go out of their way to try not to look like a draft-dodger. Explaining why they think draft-dodging isn't really bad is exactly what a politician wouldn't do.

If I don't put horse poop in someone's mailbox while calling them racial slurs because I strongly disapprove of that on multiple levels, I'm not being politically correct. If a racist bully doesn't do that despite liking the idea because they're afraid of what the neighbors might think, that's politically correct.

When people say something is politically correct, they're saying that that rule is BS and shouldn't exist. You shouldn't judge someone to be right or wrong based on whether they said the words 'politically correct', but on whether the rule they object to is good or bad.


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11 Feb 2013, 9:05 am

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"Political correctness" means "perceived social rules that I don't agree with".

So by definition, nobody follows what they themselves consider to be political correctness.

If you gave an actual example of such a rule, then we could discuss whether or not we follow that particular rule.

yeah, that was my thought. i don't follow rules for the sake of it, i follow rules because i agree with them.


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11 Feb 2013, 2:41 pm

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The most politically incorrect thing to do these days is to express any kind of opposition to Israel or to report Israeli crimes. Also one cannot question the motives of the American military as it sprays areas with nuclear waste aerosol.


Yeah, you say something wrong about a Jew, for example, is that the state of Israel, acting in relation to Arabs like the Third Reich had in relation to Jews in the past, and has a label anti-Semite. Muslims are no better, say something wrong even in a joke about the prophet Muhammad, and they want you to cut off your head, literally and figuratively.

Or the right of gays and lesbians to adopt children, who opposes right away is labeled homophobic.
Despite the fact that everyone knows that children prosper best in a family in which the mother and father


Similarly, feminists, but that's a topic for a separate topic :-)



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11 Feb 2013, 3:08 pm

pawelk1986 wrote:
Despite the fact that everyone knows that children prosper best in a family in which the mother and father

uhhh, no they don't.

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"The vast consensus of all the studies shows that children of same-sex parents do as well as children whose parents are heterosexual in every way," she tells WebMD. "In some ways children of same-sex parents actually may have advantages over other family structures."

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news ... usted-kids


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11 Feb 2013, 4:12 pm

If they must have "Judea and Samaria" they can't have Israel if the majority under this power turns out not to be Jewish. By the way, pointing out the links between the Stab in the Back story told on the German Right after the Great War and Lord Rothschild's deal with the British that yielded the Balfour Declaration certainly is not politically correct but it does show the dangers that come when a self-appointed leader of a minority makes a deal with a major power at war and the dangers to members of the minority inside the rival power that is at war with the power with which the deal was made. It was a stupid thing to do but I presume that Lord Rothschild was not at all harmed which I guess is all that mattered to him, that and his power of course.



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11 Feb 2013, 4:21 pm

xenon13 wrote:
If they must have "Judea and Samaria"


Why would they want Samaria? It was full of Samaritans.



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11 Feb 2013, 4:36 pm

Tequila wrote:
I asked him - twice, point blank - whether he supported or agreed with the Nazi Holocaust. Both times he completely ignored me.


I know the feeling.



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11 Feb 2013, 8:29 pm

Poliical correctness is relative to the political bias being offended against, so no. I can't please everyone. I try to be a respectful person though as much as I can.



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12 Feb 2013, 2:24 am

Telekon wrote:
Tequila wrote:
I asked him - twice, point blank - whether he supported or agreed with the Nazi Holocaust. Both times he completely ignored me.


I know the feeling.



Recalls this famous question: "Are you or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?"



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12 Feb 2013, 2:37 am

The origional purpose for political corectness is to avoid offending people and keep people from being a**holes but sometimes it goes overboard to the point everyone has to walk on eggshells!


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12 Feb 2013, 4:28 am

I avoid it and have a go at anyone that try's to shove "Pollitically Correct" ways on me. I see it as a form of evil and thought control.


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12 Feb 2013, 7:04 am

xenon13 wrote:
Recalls this famous question: "Are you or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?"


No, it doesn't and you're being absurd, because there will be no repercussions from this admittance that you endorse or believe in genocide.

I think the (lack of) answer was very telling. Given that we were having a discussion where you suggested that Jews in 1930s Germany deserved their persecution, it was the obvious question to ask.



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12 Feb 2013, 8:11 am

Tequila wrote:
I think the (lack of) answer was very telling.

I don't. People are allowed to not answer questions.


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12 Feb 2013, 8:33 am

pawelk1986 wrote:
I never pay attention to it.

I think it's bunch of BS, I always say what I think. Not to say that I'm a boor, I always try to preserve polite and not to be rude, but I don't not recognize the "sacred cows" status.


you're yapping, but you're failing to actually SAY anything here.
So what exactly are you talking about?

What ARE the rules of pc?

Can you give examples of things you would say that others would not say?