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04 Apr 2013, 3:39 pm

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And for the record, Jews don't proselytize ("proselyte" is a noun meaning a new convert, not a verb).


If anything, Jews seem to want to keep their religion to themselves and, if anything, seem to discourage conversion to Judaism by making it difficult to do rather than anything else.


The lack of proselytizing in Judaism has nothing to do with Judaism's respect for other religions (as some people suggest) and more to do with the fact that Judaism is a tribal religion. There is nothing unusual about tribal religions, but if you want some understanding of why there is little proselytizing in Judaism, you should understand that Judaism is concerned with preserving Jewish racial purity (read the Book of Ezra for example), and that accepting large numbers of converts threatens that racial purity.

Orthodox Ashkenazis in Israel don't even like mixing with Sephardis!

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Parents of European descent are refusing to let their daughters attend school with girls of Middle Eastern or North African origin

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04 Apr 2013, 3:54 pm

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the title of that video is deceptive. The child in the video doesn't actually say 'Jews are pigs' she says 'the enemies of allah are pigs'. The poster of the video put in (ie Jews) below hand to deliberately project their own interpretation between the lines.


If you look at the Islamic scripture, it is said that Jews were the descendants of pigs.


And the Talmud often refers to non-Jews as animals.

Furthermore, the Hebrew words Shaygets and Shiksa, which are commonly used to describe gentile boys and girls, derive from the Hebrew sheqetz, meaning 'unclean animal' or 'loathesome creature'.

Much of what people criticize in Islam is mirrored in Judaism, which is hardly surprising since Islam is heavily influenced by Judaism.

I am no great admirer of Islam (not least since my ancestors were Hindus), but I would point out that it's easier for a Jew to convert and be accepted as a Muslim than it is for a Muslim to convert and be accepted as a Jew.



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04 Apr 2013, 4:00 pm

Meanwhile, in Ireland


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04 Apr 2013, 4:44 pm

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Much of what people criticize in Islam is mirrored in Judaism, which is hardly surprising since Islam is heavily influenced by Judaism.

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Tell me, sport, when was the last time a gang of Orthodox Jews hijacked a commercial flight and flew it into a tall building occupied by unarmed civilians? Just because some Jews say dreadful things about the goyim, it is not harm. Don't pay attention, don't listing and try not to take offense. Just because some Jews laugh at gentile stupidity is no reason to think that they mean to harm you gentiles.

And you don't find Jews wrapped up in explosives blowing up hospitals and restaurants and bus depots. Jews don't do the harmful things that Jihadis do. So it is not a mirror of Islam. You don't have to worry about a Jew murdering you or your family.

And it is not our fault that most of us are brighter than most of you. That is your problem.


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04 Apr 2013, 4:57 pm

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Just because some Jews say dreadful things about the goyim, it is not harm.


If anything, I suspect it's a bit of a communal bonding thing for Jews. A bit like we might rip the piss out of the Oirish or the Aussies. Or Scousers. Yeah, Scousers.



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04 Apr 2013, 5:07 pm

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Tell me, sport, when was the last time a gang of Orthodox Jews hijacked a commercial flight and flew it into a tall building occupied by unarmed civilians?


Faulty analogy. Tell me, when was the last time Muslims aided and abetted in the forcibable eviction of Jews from their ancestral homelands, penned them in for fifty years and built a concrete wall around them to undermine their movement?

Tell me, when was the last time muslims bombed and invaded Christian or secular countries, took their natural resources and left 100s of thousands of civillians dead?

You can't, because it didn't happen.


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04 Apr 2013, 5:12 pm

Lebanon. For starters.



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04 Apr 2013, 5:15 pm

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the title of that video is deceptive. The child in the video doesn't actually say 'Jews are pigs' she says 'the enemies of allah are pigs'. The poster of the video put in (ie Jews) below hand to deliberately project their own interpretation between the lines.


If you look at the Islamic scripture, it is said that Jews were the descendants of pigs.


And the Talmud often refers to non-Jews as animals.

Furthermore, the Hebrew words Shaygets and Shiksa, which are commonly used to describe gentile boys and girls, derive from the Hebrew sheqetz, meaning 'unclean animal' or 'loathesome creature'.

Much of what people criticize in Islam is mirrored in Judaism, which is hardly surprising since Islam is heavily influenced by Judaism.
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This, pretty much.

funny how the Zionists like the cherry pick things from the quaran whenever they have precisely exactly the analogous scriptural luggage in their own back yard.


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04 Apr 2013, 5:16 pm

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Lebanon. For starters.


yes I forgot they really did give worse than they got :roll:

Oh come off it, that was over before it had even started. Are you seriously comparing Hezbollah to either NATO or the IDF?

You're having a laugh.


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04 Apr 2013, 5:28 pm

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Lebanon. For starters.


yes I forgot they really did give worse than they got :roll:

Oh come off it, that was over before it had even started. Are you seriously comparing Hezbollah to either NATO or the IDF?

You're having a laugh.


Hezbollah is a terrorist organisation, and nothing more than that. Frankly, hell isn't warm enough for those scumbags.

The Israeli Defense Force is the national army of Israel.

NATO is a defence pact between numerous countries.



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04 Apr 2013, 5:31 pm

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Lebanon. For starters.


yes I forgot they really did give worse than they got :roll:

Oh come off it, that was over before it had even started. Are you seriously comparing Hezbollah to either NATO or the IDF?

You're having a laugh.


Hezbollah is a terrorist organisation, and nothing more than that. Frankly, hell isn't warm enough for those scumbags.

The Israeli Defense Force is the national army of Israel.

NATO is a defence pact between numerous countries.


That's lovely dear, but it is completely irrelevant to the point I was making.

Care to try again?

Or are you saying that the cover of internationally sanctioned legal status is a carte blanche to perform actions however how morally reprehensible?


Its been correctly said

"when the rich declare conflict on the poor it is called war
when the poor declare conflict on the rich it is called terrorism".

Not a perfect fit to the scenario but sums up the double standards pretty well.


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04 Apr 2013, 6:40 pm

^^^
The IDF doesn't reularly intentionally target cilvilians (women and children ) whereas Hezbollah does.



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04 Apr 2013, 6:59 pm

Terrorists tend to make it a point to target civilians.
It's why they're terrorists.


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04 Apr 2013, 7:30 pm

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That's interesting.

I can be considered left-winged, but I'm quite sick of this kind of approaches that are quite common in the left wing. Didn't know the psychological concept you're talking about, so I always defined it as 'emotional blindness'.

I'm quite inmune to it, something that I consider an aspie gift.

But I just always wondered: is this 'inmunity' a common trait for aspies or is it not?


Idk, but my guess is that there is no such imunity. Aspies have emotions and consciousness, so they have defense mechanisms like everyone else. Note that these emotions that are felt as unacceptable are not conscious, so you might have this defense mechanism in action without knowing. I know I have certain defense mechanisms that are active (because I do therapy) and I'm an aspie.


Up to what point?

I have emotions, of course, but I feel like they are in a different 'room' from reasoning. I don't feel like any emotion is unacceptable since I don't feel emotions as an inner part of me, but an attribute that I carry with me, so I don't feel identified with them, so none is unacceptable since they're outer attributes. Damn, difficult to explain.


A question to serve as an example: are you homophobic? You'll probably answer that you aren't. However, your mind automaticaly makes judgements (statistical, or learned) towards gay people. For example you might make the statistical judgement that enfeminate men are probably gay. Even though every one admits to make this mental judgement, most people don't consider themselves homophobic, which is a contradiction. Such are thoughts that are kept away from conscious thought.



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04 Apr 2013, 7:38 pm

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This is definitely offensive.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ScBUVkvjFs[/youtube]Shown on PA TV only a few weeks ago.


Man, when a country is at war with another for such a long time, their inhabitants will call their enemies pigs and sons of pigs, whatever the country is. If we get ofended by these remarks, we don't understand war. It's true that islam's hate for jews is real, but give the palestinians a break. Lets be less demanding and, for now, expect them to stop firing rockets to Israel.



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04 Apr 2013, 7:42 pm

ModusPonens wrote:
Tequila wrote:
This is definitely offensive.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ScBUVkvjFs[/youtube]Shown on PA TV only a few weeks ago.


Man, when a country is at war with another for such a long time, their inhabitants will call their enemies pigs and sons of pigs, whatever the country is. If we get ofended by these remarks, we don't understand war. It's true that islam's hate for jews is real, but give the palestinians a break. Lets be less demanding and, for now, expect them to stop firing rockets to Israel.


There goes you Muslim. Different mountain, different God.

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