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03 Aug 2013, 3:38 pm

I believe under Christian doctrine saying someone will get into Heaven or health is itself a serious sin.

As I'm a non-believer would any theologians confirm this. It is to do with passing Judgment (capital J) which is God's role, in the Abrahamic faiths.

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03 Aug 2013, 3:52 pm

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[88.21] Therefore do remind, for you are only a reminder.
[88.22] You are not a watcher over them;
[88.23] But whoever turns back and disbelieves,
[88.24] Allah will chastise him with the greatest chastisement.

[76.29] Surely this is a reminder, so whoever pleases takes to his Lord a way.
[76.30] And you do not please except that Allah please, surely Allah is Knowing, Wise;
[76.31] He makes whom He pleases to enter into His mercy; and (as for) the unjust, He has prepared for them a painful chastisement.

And more.

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03 Aug 2013, 3:55 pm

^^What does that mean?

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03 Aug 2013, 3:56 pm

wreck1 wrote:

albedo wrote:

The only thing clearly relevant is the second one, but I'm asking about the Christian position not the Islamic position.

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03 Aug 2013, 4:46 pm

albedo wrote:

What's wrong with having confidence in Christ's promises?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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03 Aug 2013, 4:49 pm

What are these promises?

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03 Aug 2013, 4:56 pm

babybird wrote:

What are these promises?

Promise of the resurrection and eternal life - that kind of good stuff.

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03 Aug 2013, 4:59 pm

Oh. I have a plant called Lazarus. I call him this because he came back from the brink. but I would not have said he was dead.

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03 Aug 2013, 5:04 pm

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Oh. I have a plant called Lazarus. I call him this because he came back from the brink. but I would not have said he was dead.

I'm delighted your plant is doing so much better.

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03 Aug 2013, 5:12 pm

:lol: Thanks

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03 Aug 2013, 5:14 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

albedo wrote:

What's wrong with having confidence in Christ's promises?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I'm talking about saying X will go to heaven or hell.

This isn't about what is 'wrong'. I don't believe in it anyway.

I'm asking for a theological study/position.

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03 Aug 2013, 5:14 pm

Did your plant recover during Easter? :chin:

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03 Aug 2013, 5:17 pm

your an entertaining old mean

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03 Aug 2013, 5:20 pm

albedo wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

albedo wrote:

What's wrong with having confidence in Christ's promises?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I'm talking about saying X will go to heaven or hell.

This isn't about what is 'wrong'. I don't believe in it anyway.

I'm asking for a theological study/position.

Again, I think one can be confident in God's grace. To condemn others to hell because you don't like them, or don't approve of something about them, is pretty wrong. Though I don't think anyone can be faulted for assuming Hitler, Stalin, and Jack the Ripper are probably in an unpleasant place right now.

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03 Aug 2013, 5:20 pm

TallyMan wrote:

Did your plant recover during Easter? :chin:

Well, when I come to think about it.. :lol: