Bill Nye Destroys Noahs Ark!

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Bill Nye destroyed a mytholigical symbol which Ken Ham doesn't understand? Sounds like lose-lose to me.

The birth of a new person after 40 weeks of gestation is elevated in the bible to represent all of humanity entering a new state of being and a new age after the 40 days and nights of flooding where the seeds for the new humanity wait in an embryonic state, floating in birth waters, within the womb/ark. And the idea that mankind somehow incorporates or contains all the animals which are believed to have come before him can be summed up in the old theory that "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny," or the more modern idea of our genes coming from common ancestors of animals alive today.

What this has to do with the state religion designed by the Roman empire to end 300 years of civil war, religious thinking at large, or the popularizing of secular thinking, I do not know. A totally unreligious person can still understand the symbolism of the ark, and as we can see in Ken Ham's position, a totally religious person can utterly fail to understand it. Symbols and the groups which use them have both an exoteric and esoteric side, or outer and inner mysteries, so perhaps Ken Ham is only aware of the outer mysteries.

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You can take that tack: take a cue from Carl Jung, and do an end-run around both the Fundies, and Darwin.

Actually the prevelence of and almost (but not quite) universality of flood myths in cultures around the World may have more to do with something universal in the human psyche than with either a real global flood, or with memories of different local regional real floods. Its tempting to suggest that its a species memory of having evolved from fish in the sea eons ago. But more likely it has to do with the time we all spend gestating in the womb suspended in salt water.

Or it could simply be due to the fact that floods are very common. Therefore, the different local regional flood myths could simply have their origins in different local floods at their respective locations but obviously do not describe the same event as believed by the fundies.

Heaven forbid any other mythological stories get debunked by science if every single fairytale in the bible gets debunked would god still be real to those believers? Riddle me that!Btw heres Ken Hams take on everything and defeating himself in 90 seconds! [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdXHktAAOcc[/youtube]Bill Nye won!

This was Noah for British kids in the seventies. Check out those animals, how did they go to the loo?

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^^ Now I know where Catdog was born! [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA6MMC12uDQ[/youtube]

These statements are contradictory.

Others have already pointed out that we can prove that the Big Bang happened. We can't prove that it wasn't started by some otherworldly Prime Mover, but that's entirely besides the point.

Science is still an ever changing thing, and scientists still challenge ideas all the time. However, as always, you need to have evidence to support your views if you want to be taken seriously by a scientist.

Christianity did not save science in the Dark Ages. I believe you have that precisely backwards. Islamic scholars re-introduced the writings of Aristotle to the West, and whilst some Christian scholars (like Aquinas) ran with these some of the way, they didn't adopt the scientific method and indeed had a similar attitude towards Aristotle as they did towards the Bible. I could point fingers at Galileo, but... oh, hell with it, Galileo!

Bill Nye is not breaking people on the rack, nor burning them at the stake, for criticizing science!

He is just pointing out the obvious problems that the Noah story has with external logic.

Aristotlean philosophy held back scientific discovery for centuries, but yes you are quite correct that until Ghengis Khan the cradle of invention and learning was the Islamic and Chinese worlds. Historians blame khan for Islamic descent into madness as he killed off all the intellectual elite and razed their libraries.

But hey why let history get in the way of indoctrination. Let's continue to believe the Jews not the Romans killed the Christ, Islam has offered the world noting but torment, and the Christians in every way possible have been a beneficial force on this planet, yet have received only persecution for their good deeds.

Islam had a promising beginning but its light was snuffed by the religious fanatics in our 12 th or 13 th century.

Keep in mind that Muslim Mathematicians invented algebra, kept the books of Euclid alive and introduced many scientific innovations. But eventually the religious crazies in the Islamic domains turned the lights off.

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Ruveyn that is what I am saying. The religious fanatics gained control after the destruction wrought by Genghis Khan. If he had not gone on the planets most murderous rampage who knows where we would be today, quite possibly we would not have heard of beheadings accompanied by the chant Allāhu Akbar.

Hence the section in bold

Aristotle did lay the foundations of empiricism, even if his assumptions were often laughable and his followers weren't prepared to challenge them.

Thats the irony. Aristotle ssid "study nature', and "observe". But his medeaval followers didnt study nature. They just studied Aristotle.

Science can't disprove the existence of a God any more than religion can prove it. Human's are insanely fallible and no very little (next to zilch) about the universe.

In the end, Agnostics like myself are the only ones who seem to understand that.

You might want to read Dawkins' The God Delusion; in it, he mentions a scale where a one is the indisputable belief in a god and a ten is the indisputable belief in no god. Dawkins himself describes himself as a nine, and I think you would be surprised at how many atheists say they know there is a chance that a god could exist; I count myself in that demographic.