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13 Jun 2014, 1:14 am

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My late dad had been a union man who was also a family man and had held his religious beliefs seriously. As a matter of fact, people belonging to unions generally have families and are religious. Please don't denigrate the roots the union movement has always had in traditional society.

I'm not denigrating unions, just pointing out that they are not a substitute for religious life.

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13 Jun 2014, 3:36 am

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Marx was firmly committed to the destruction of family life, .............. Marxian socialists have continued to denigrate the traditional family ever since.

As did Jesus.

Marx rightly points out that family as we know it today was not how we once raised our children, even in his day there was some vestiges of the old tribal system via the extended family. The modern nuclear family where kids are isolated except when at school or after school activities is so far removed from how society used to work. Marx saw the raising of kids as the role of everyone, not just lumped onto two people or worse still a single parent) who are then castigated when they do a less than perfect job. Look to most indigenous, non western cultures and this is how they raise their kids. Marx, unlike Jesus, did not implore people to abandon their families in search of deistic redemption.

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13 Jun 2014, 4:05 am

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I view atheism as a religion. they don't believe in god no but they do blieve in their thoeries.

Buddhist don't believe in god and there other religions who don't as well.

Atheism isn't a religion, just like theism isn't a religion. Atheists can be religious, but being an atheist doesn't make you religious.

might be considered as one in the future given how the trend goes. plus I said i view, which is same as in my opinion.

the ones I have met and seen treat it as one and act the same as extremist Christians or Muslims

if atheism is the disbelief of religion how can any of them be religious?

Opinions can be wrong.

I imagine most of the atheists you have met - if you are in America, about one in ten, more on the coasts, less in the Midwest - simply haven't told you that they're an atheist. Why would they? Hence, you have a selection bias - only the "extremist" ones become known to you. I would add that "extremist" atheists in the USA tend to just be a**holes, rather than bombers.

Atheism isn't the disbelief of religion, it is the disbelief in God. One can be a religious atheist (Buddhists), or an irreligious theist (Thomas Jefferson), or an irreligious atheist (Richard Dawkins), or a religious theists (Christians).

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13 Jun 2014, 4:19 am

Hey, if he is quitting Atheism then that means he is ready for a new religious experience, lets all get together and tell him of all our religious believes and try and sell him off on one of them! come peoples, lets have a discourse on what would be the right or best religion for him. :twisted:

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13 Jun 2014, 5:40 am

DentArthurDent wrote:

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Marx was firmly committed to the destruction of family life, .............. Marxian socialists have continued to denigrate the traditional family ever since.

As did Jesus.

What is your proof of this assertion? Jesus was a Jew. Judaism is a family-oriented religion. Jesus only gives a few exceptions to that norm, such as someone with a special calling from God. If anything, Jesus reaffirms the Genesis account of marriage and strengthens it against rabbinic teachings that implied that divorce was simply an ending of a legal contract.

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. Marx saw the raising of kids as the role of everyone, not just lumped onto two people or worse still a single parent) who are then castigated when they do a less than perfect job. Look to most indigenous, non western cultures and this is how they raise their kids. Marx, unlike Jesus, did not implore people to abandon their families in search of deistic redemption.

Indingenous cultures often have sophisticated family structures far removed from the society Marx envisioned- purely voluntaristic assosciations where family as such would not exist. In those native cultures, people are born into families and its accepted as a given, with loyalties and responsibilities that cannot be broken or disregarded without consequences.

Your are lifting what Jesus said way out of the cultural context of Judaism and Jesus' own 1st century mission to evangelize his people. Jesus was merely pointing people to the First Commandment, which is to avoid idolatry, including placing family above God. That doesn't mean he discredited family life altogether.

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13 Jun 2014, 4:08 pm

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i see the point you are trying to make but the video doesnt' really support it. alot of that stuff isn't attacking atheist and most media attacks Christians. and attack from one side doesn't ok an attack from the other or make either attacks less bad.

two wrongs don't make a right.

I interpreted the point of the video to be, that conservative christians are doing to atheists precisely what conservative christians (usually falsely) accuse atheists of doing to christians.

As I said I get what its saying but I disagree and think its point is invalid. As many atheist point out they are and are becoming the majority. How would you know there Christians claims are false .

Baised in that only atheist can be attacked ? Like only blacks can be descriminated against ?

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13 Jun 2014, 4:16 pm

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I view atheism as a religion. they don't believe in god no but they do blieve in their thoeries.

Buddhist don't believe in god and there other religions who don't as well.

Atheism isn't a religion, just like theism isn't a religion. Atheists can be religious, but being an atheist doesn't make you religious.

Googled it and I don't follow as in the usa anyone who beleives in god is labeled christian regardless of if they go to church, pay tithe, or other things and athirst always explained to me it is the belief in science as the abosulte truth and all regilions are wrong. Buddhist believe in reincarnation where science says that's a lie . there seems to then be a different opinions on what atheists are . my only real friend is one and he believes no reglious people should be allowed in the military. I guess the marines or more christian while I hear the army is heading towards anti christian.

I have aways heard anyone who believes in god is reglious

Read comments on any thing saying science disproves this about go and you will see tons and tons of athirst pushing their attack on the few Christians that comment . it is sicking why can't everyone just leave people alone

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14 Jun 2014, 2:00 am

Atheism is not a religion, and theism isn't either. They can be facets of a religion, but they are not religions in and of themselves. A lot of people think it's redundant when I say I'm a non-religious, agnostic atheist, but it's really not. I don't practice a religion, I don't know for sure whether or not a god exists, and I assume that one probably doesn't.

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14 Jun 2014, 5:35 am

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Well, everyone knows atheism is not technically a religion.

But sometimes people compare outspoken atheists to the religious due to their flare for proselytizing.

I'm atheist but the only thing I like to proseltyze about is about how atheists like to proselytzye so much. It's funny, I've posted comments on different forums before about atheism, and I have been accused of concern trolling. It's pretty hilarious.

I'm not a fan of religion but I try to keep the peace with religious people who are decent. I dont see the point in hating someone for believing something that I don't as long as they are a good person. IN the end, that's what it all comes down to. If you are a good person, I don't care what you believe.

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14 Jun 2014, 7:12 am

In daily life I never bother people with the subject. And yet Christians bother people quite often. It's part of their mandate.

People speak frankly on the internet. If you are new to it, well, welcome.

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14 Jun 2014, 3:10 pm

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this is how i feel but towards atheist. I don't approve of the pushy Christians either, but i don't know any or see many in my area, but we have a lot of pushy atheists and they seem to also be more there on fb.

probably depends on where we live.

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14 Jun 2014, 4:04 pm

Religious extremism annoys me, and so does antireligious extremism. Whatever happened to the saying "live and let live"?

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14 Jun 2014, 4:16 pm

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:

Religious extremism annoys me, and so does antireligious extremism. Whatever happened to the saying "live and let live"?

Good words, good words

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14 Jun 2014, 5:54 pm

The OP is loosing his lack of faith!

Just like the worst enemies of Christianity are certain Christians, the worst enemies of Atheism are certain extreme Atheists.

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14 Jun 2014, 7:19 pm

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The OP is loosing his lack of faith!

Just like the worst enemies of Christianity are certain Christians, the worst enemies of Atheism are certain extreme Atheists.

You guys keep saying there are extreme atheists, but you never provide examples. Please name some prominent modern atheists who you think are "extreme" or "extremists" and why.

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14 Jun 2014, 8:29 pm

Stannis wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

The OP is loosing his lack of faith!

Just like the worst enemies of Christianity are certain Christians, the worst enemies of Atheism are certain extreme Atheists.

You guys keep saying there are extreme atheists, but you never provide examples. Please name some prominent modern atheists who you think are "extreme" or "extremists" and why.

extreme" isnt the word. Just militant, and evangelical. All the folks on that website that the OP talked about would be examples.

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