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Perhaps that definition isn't in the Bible ghotistix...

Right, you. NOBODY tells me, or anyone else here, which threads they may post on and which they may not. This forum operates on a policy of tolerance and civilised behaviour. You are entitled to believe whatever you like, Kitsune. Having said which, no member is entitled to make personal attacks, or to use this site as a place to 'save souls' - which is an activity which negates the world view of those who you would 'save' - this is inherently disrespectful. There are many different views and lifestyles here, all of which are equally valid.

Can I please remind everyone here that this is a forum for respectful discussion. Thank you.

Dunc

Please don't do that Kitsune.

Hypothetically speaking, if Christianity is true, I dont think Kitsune's arrogant approach would convert anyone. I am interested in learning about biblical issues, but when faced with an attidude like his, I just feel my mind closing up. I mean, I dont remember seeing any "proofs" in his posts other than the article saying that the bible hates gay people, which I already knew, coming from an evangelical Christian familiy.

You're kinda missing the point. Denying homosexuals the right to marry violates their rights. It doesn't matter why they wish to marry; all that matters is that they have the right to do so if they wish, just like everyone else.

You make some very cogent points Kitsune Here is my stance similar and different


Abortion NO
Death Penalty NO
Gay Rights EH
Gay Marriage NO
Iraq War NO
Gerorge Bush YES
Terry Shiavo LIFE
John Kerry GRRRR!
Bill Clinton Womanizer Yes Ok President
Michael Jackson GUILTY
OJ Simpson GUILTY
Yes I am Catholic and Bush is Protestant but i support him

As I said before: Any god who requires those who want "redemption" to fall down and worship him, and to accept jesus as his lord and savior, isn't worth the urine required to piss all over him.

Of course you support him. the man who now serves as pope ordered you to vote for him, on penalty of not being able to receive holy communion.

OK thanks for stating the obvious.

Is that a threat or a promise? I do hope its the latter..... You bring on whoever you want as aggressively as you like pally - I guarantee to make a metaphorical squishy mess of the lot of you......

Sorry guys, I'm a bit busy at the mo' and can't wade into this thread right now I'm afraid..... but come the weekend...... I'M GONNA HAVE ME SOME FUN WITH THIS BIGOT SUCKA!! !! !

And if you don't like blacks, we shouldn't have to give them rights either. Or women. Or Democrats. Or pro-choice people. Or anyone else you disagree with. Right?

Sometimes I wish this site didn't have a rule against attacking other people. sigh...

Oh, you can attack.... you just have to be subtle enough to slide it under the old radar..... Watch and learn from a master, matey....

This site does not have a rule against attacking other people outside of the site. You can attack kitsune via aol instant messanger and I cannot do anything about it. He may attack you in the same manner. Perhaps you may both enjoy attacking each other. I will not have a problem with that as long as it does not occur on the website.

Oh God..... I want this guy's ass so bad I can taste it..... I can't resist just one little attack before bo-bos, sorry...... Bandits at 4 o'clock - OK Ginger, I'm going in....... DIVE!! !! !! !! !! !! !

The Bible a "tried and true manual on life, book of predictions, and God's word"

The Bible is a deliberately mistranslated (several times over) story book, written thousands of years ago by faceless, sinister people with no first hand experience of any of the events therein, often hundreds of years after they allegedly took place. It was created to advance evil political agendas and to control the lives and the minds of the weak and the gullible (or "Christians" as they are sometimes also known), It has about as much relevance to the leading of a good life as a combine harvester does to flower arranging. Anyone who attempts to base their thoughts and opinions around its lies and deceit is deluded, pure and simple.

Very brief point while I'm here, more to follow - God created homosexuality so how can it be wrong? I thought that God of yours was supposed to be "perfect"? How come he makes so many bloody screw ups then? .......and if you even attempt that Christianity Brand pre-packaged "freedom of choice" BS in response, I won't be responsible for my actions.....

So come on then, pal - BRING IT ON!! !! !! !! !! Feel the stinging pain of crushing defeat at the hands of righteousness and logic!! !! !!

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Kitsune, could you please answer these questions for me (I don't want you to give me Bible references, or any Christian websites, I want you to use your own mind, thank you):

--How do you know that homosexuality is not a choice when you don't actually know any gay people?

--Why would the Biblical God send people who are part of his creation to hell?

--Why would the Biblical God, who is the supreme ruler of the universe, require people to believe in him?

--Why are you going on about the evils of other people and how they are so wrong when Jesus, who you claim is your saviour, said 'He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone'?

--This life is temporary and sins are committed in life, so why would the Biblical God send people to hell for an eternity?

--Why would the Biblical God send people to hell who actually made this world a better place for other people out of the kindness of their hearts?

--My final question: Is Mahatma Gandhi (who was Hindu and disagreed Christianity) in hell right now and why?

Once again, Kitsune, I'd really appreciate if you could answer these for me without going to the Bible or some Christian website for your responses. Thank you.

If I was going to be offensive, I would have added that approval of homosexuality is just as sinful as the act itself. But that was outside the scope of my argument so I will not discuss that point furter.

The reason I quoted Bec's post was to show my offense to her analogy comparing the autistic spectrum to homosexuality. There is no comparison. Autism shows a distinguishable difference on MRIs and EEGs when compared to a control group. There is no such distinction in the brain activity of homosexuals. Also, homosexuality cannot be genetic because homosexuals cannot procrate. Therefore any gene for homosexuality would be bred out within 200 years.

The only explaination left is a moral decision. Different people are tempted by different sins. Some people are predisposed to be tempted to perform homosexual acts the same same way I am predisposed to be tempted by violence. However, I have not been in a fight for about 7 years and even then it was a minor scuffle just to drive the guy leave me alone. Likewise, I know a guy that used to be gay and is now a strait, born-again Christain. There are other exaples of this in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 :

"9Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God."

I know it looks like I am preaching the stereotypical "all fags are going to Hell" line, but I'm sure everyone has heard that before and it would be a waste of time. What I am trying to demonstrate is an example of a large group of homosexuals (ancient Greeks, no less) making a concious decision to become straight despite living in a city and culture where homosexuality was not given a second thought. (I want to point out that this city was infamous throughout the Roman Empire for it's many perversions besides homosexuality).

While I doubt this has done anything to appease anybody that might be offended, the subject of this thread is sensitive to alot of people on both sides of the debate. However, I think this thread should remain open to prevent heated debate from spilling over into other threads.

I've been washed, I've been sanctified, I've been justified in the name of the lord jesus by the spirit of our god. (says so right there.) What do I have to worry about?

That's a pretty long list you wrote there: fornicators, idolators, adulterers, homosexuals, sodomites, thieves, covetous, drunkards, revilers, extortioners. Why did you decide to focus on homosexuals? You don't do any of those other things, do you? you don't drink much, don't steal, you aren't covetous, adulterous? (you don't spill your seed, do you?) Is that why you decided to pick on that one group?