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Wow! He really said that? It takes ignorance to an entirely new level. I get the impression he's never studied any science beyond the rubbish he's read on creationist websites. To be fair we don't know how old he is anyway... maybe he's only a kid still in junior high school?

Yes Hooday really did say that! He also misunderstood the point I made about how the tree of life produced by studying genetic data matches what we find in the fossil record.


The tree of life produced from the fossil record IS a pattern of nested hierarchies, but the amazing thing is that the tree of life produced from more than one type of genetic data matches the tree of life produced from the fossil record. In other words, predictions made from genetic studies about a particular common ancestor between two different "kinds" is verified by finding fossils of that common ancestor in the expected place in the fossil record in older rocks than we find fossils of the two different "kinds," and we see transitional forms all along the way.

That is another big lie of creationists, that there are "no transitional forms" when in fact museums are FULL of fossils of transitional forms. Hooday also mistakenly thought that Ray Comfort's "Crocoduck" is what would be needed to prove evolution. It goes to show how ignorant creationists are and how much they misunderstand science and how evolution works that they would think something like this.

and THIS is why I fight so hard for truth, justice and the American way (just like Superman) regarding the "controversy" over teaching evolution in public schools. Hooday is a perfect example of the dumbing down caused by fundamentalism. My favorite quotation of the past twenty years is "Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings." Those are the fruits of fundamentalism, whether it be Christianity, Islam, or any other religion. It is the fundies of the world who make religion look really stupid to rational people.

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I haven't finished reading this wikipedia article yet ( LINK ) but it is so hilarious I had to post it here. There is a Creation Evidence Museum! And they are attempting to recreate the atmosphere from before the Great Flood:

Although I laughed at it, at least these people are trying to find evidence on their own, even though it is in a half-arsed way. At least they got beyond the inane bible-quoting.

That is hilarious. I like this bit at the end, where even other creationists admit it does nothing to further their cause and indeed makes a nonsense of it:

^^^ I read that, and I found it strange (and funny) because those other organisations to exactly the same as what they accuse this one of. You sort of have to be scientifically illiterate first before becoming a creationist. The "arguments" of the other creationist organisations are usually the same distorted pseudoscience. It's one quack accusing another quack.

BTW where is Hooday? He has not yet responded to the valid points I raised about the Old Testament a number of posts back. Would he prefer to line the rest of the posters / respondents up and stone them?

He may have shaken the dust off his feet, and left WP to a judgement worst than that leveled against Sodom and Gamorah.

Cheers!

Good question. I've been silently enjoying watching him spray the heathens with holy water and hearing them scream for several pages and multiple threads.

He should demand a refund. The holy water was a dud.

Why would an intelligent being create the plants before the sun?Wouldn't they know about photosynthesis?

Just shows how silly the whole idea of creationism is. Can't believe we are actually having a conversation (of sorts) with someone who believes that rubbish.

If you think about it, even we humans are transitional forms.

Exactly. Give it another million years and humans will have evolved further and may look and behave very differently to today.

After a few more million years humans may have diverged into two or more new species. Wouldn't surprise me if humans split into at least two new species, one from poor disenfranchised humans struggling to survive foraging in a polluted, hostile world and a technological elite living in air conditioned environments disconnected from the outside world, spending much of their time living hooked up to advanced forms of virtual reality, a species that has evolved to be part machine and "plugged in" from birth, almost like in the Matrix movie.

Within a few hundred years (at the most) humans will likely be artificially manipulating the genome much faster than evolution has ever done. Things are already moving in this direction with companies like Monsanto producing GM crops. The scope of changes that could be made to the human genome are mind boggling. The ethics of creating post-human species is an entirely different matter though. It seems likely that it will happen somewhere in the world, even if many countries ban such experimentation. Parents wanting kids with an elevated IQ; governments wanting stronger soldiers with more endurance etc; pressure to eliminate genetic "disorders"; changes to increase life span and reduce degenerative diseases like arthritis or Alzheimers. Pandora's box will be opened...

H G Wells explored a similar idea in The Time Machine, though based along slightly different lines... the virtual reality crowd would most likely be quite happy underground actually .

However I'm not certain in we as a species can survive that long under current conditions such as global warming, overpopulation and the like. The earth, yes, but it could not sustain the sheer numbers of what is the most destructive species on the planet....

If god wills it