Zionism is no different than Nazism

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22 Jul 2014, 8:40 am

I like that, Miss Lizard!

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22 Jul 2014, 9:35 am

A great many straw man arguments here: take what a few Israeli extremist nutjobs say, claim that it's the ("real") Zionism, voilà, you painted Zionism in a bad light.

Zionism is originally a secular ideology. It came from the idea that to make Jews safe from antisemitism, they should have their own country. By then antisemitism was largely ethnicity-based (not religion-based), and so was Zionism. In Israel the level of nationalism is largely uncorrelated to how religious someone is; a few ultra-orthodox sects even oppose Israel's existence.

Zionism is basically Israeli Jewish nationalism, nothing more. It is also often understood simply as supporting the existence of Israel and its right to defend its security. Only in this weaker sense is it effectively a requirement for an Israeli leader, as would be in any other country. Zionism is also not a unified ideology; as among any country's nationalists you will find everything from people who just want to live peacefully in their own country to extremist jackasses who want to conquer half the World.

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22 Jul 2014, 11:45 am

This ^.

Both Zionism and Nazism are strains of the same late Nineteenth Centurey disease: nationalism.

But Nazism is a far more lethal strain of the disease.

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22 Jul 2014, 12:36 pm

So your saying if we allowed Hitler to kill all of the Jews there wouldn't be any Zionism?

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22 Jul 2014, 2:21 pm

equal_zero, I will answer you when I have time; there respone is in my head but it's big.

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22 Jul 2014, 2:35 pm

1024 wrote:

This is not entirely true; even if Zionism was founded by secular jews yet the essence of the Zionist idea - that Jews should return to the Holy Land and establish a government - is not inherently secular, and in fact the Zionist movement had attracted the very religious members from the very beginning.

I am not* equating it with Nazism; it probably started as a reaction to Nazism but it's still a fundamentalist racist ideology; their actions from the very start prove this.

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22 Jul 2014, 4:51 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

equal_zero, I will answer you when I have time; there respone is in my head but it's big.

No problem.

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22 Jul 2014, 5:46 pm

AspieOtaku wrote:

So your saying if we allowed Hitler to kill all of the Jews there wouldn't be any Zionism?

No offense but every post of yours is a troll stupid comment. And honestly no one here ever found your trolling funny.

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22 Jul 2014, 7:43 pm

From where I'm sitting, I don't see Israel conquering anyone and committing genocide. That's kinda what Nazi Germany was doing. Israel would have to take over Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, and all others, on its own accord without being attacked first, whilst lining up all Arabs and gunning them down into trenches.

Sure, they'll hit back when they're hit, and the nature of high explosives means anyone within its kill radius is...killed, no matter a combatant or civilian, but that's tough biscuits when you have fighters hiding amongst the latter.

Israel is akin to Britain or the US if you want a WW2 analogue (or France, but they were conquered). Both caused numerous civilian casualties, but both were attacked or had an ally attacked without provocation.

So I say, f**k you and anyone whom thinks Israel is akin to Nazi Germany.

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22 Jul 2014, 10:47 pm

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From where I'm sitting, I don't see Israel conquering anyone and committing genocide.

The reason they are pushing the Palestinians out of North Gaza is that they have no intention of giving those lands back. They will usher settlers in once the dust settles. Don't think they will stop there though, they won't stop until every last Gazan is pushed into the sea, eventually. The genocide is in slow motion, thats why its not so apparent.

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So I say, f**k you and anyone whom thinks Israel is akin to Nazi Germany.

Oh, you may care to rethink that. An Israeli professor has just come all out and advocated the use of rape as a terror weapon. Something that would make them very similar to the nazis.

http://forward.com/articles/202558/isra ... z38CkiXwaG

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22 Jul 2014, 10:57 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

I am equating it with Nazism; it probably started as a reaction to Nazism but it's still a fundamentalist racist ideology; their actions from the very start prove this.

Definitely, Israel is by far the most racist of all of the so called 'developed democracies'. Check out the video I posted in the Bedouin and Iron Dome thread regarding how they treat African refugees.

They hate anyone that isn't Jewish, except Americans. They know what side their bread is buttered on.

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23 Jul 2014, 12:10 am

salad wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

So your saying if we allowed Hitler to kill all of the Jews there wouldn't be any Zionism?

No offense but every post of yours is a troll stupid comment. And honestly no one here ever found your trolling funny.

Im not trolling it just seems like the idea of this thread is comparing Israelis to Nazis which is a bit far fetched. If I was to try to be trollish or funny id plop some random meme or something of that nature, I just dont understand the hatred towards the Jews so much neo nazis and radical muslims and supporters of such groups seem to think they are the root of all evil or something. Its almost like some illuminati conspiracy theory going on.

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23 Jul 2014, 12:23 am

thomas81 wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

I am equating it with Nazism; it probably started as a reaction to Nazism but it's still a fundamentalist racist ideology; their actions from the very start prove this.

The Palestinians are Caucasian (nothing to do with complexion), mostly and also Semitic like Jews. Judaism is not a race, either. That has been disproved many times.

Both Jewish and Arab cultures have issues with racism, and bigotry. Ask the Berber, and Ethiopian Jews.

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23 Jul 2014, 12:28 am

0_equals_true wrote:

thomas81 wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

I am equating it with Nazism; it probably started as a reaction to Nazism but it's still a fundamentalist racist ideology; their actions from the very start prove this.

Theres tension between muslim groups as well in the middle east like the sunnis and shiats. To sum it up in the middle east everyone hates eachother and wants to blow eachother up and steal land from eachother its been going on for thousands of years and its stupid.

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23 Jul 2014, 12:34 am

AspieOtaku wrote:

0_equals_true wrote:

thomas81 wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

I am equating it with Nazism; it probably started as a reaction to Nazism but it's still a fundamentalist racist ideology; their actions from the very start prove this.

BS! No more than europeans did to themselves

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