The Israel Empire plan.
04 Aug 2014, 11:31 am
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
tarantella64 wrote:
Jeez, that's almost as good as The Elders of Zion, Boo. You realize that the only people who want anything to do with this nonsense are conspiracy-site owners, right?
Of course, if Europe can't start dealing better with its own antisemitism, they're going to have to find some more colonial territory to slice up and abandon soon. That patch by you's getting crowded, and New York's not long for this world. Hallooo, Toronto!
Of course, if Europe can't start dealing better with its own antisemitism, they're going to have to find some more colonial territory to slice up and abandon soon. That patch by you's getting crowded, and New York's not long for this world. Hallooo, Toronto!
This document is not a conspiracy theory; read the headline again:
This essay originally appeared in Hebrew in KIVUNIM (Directions), A Journal for Judaism and Zionism; Issue No, 14?Winter, 5742, February 1982, Editor: Yoram Beck. Editorial Committee: Eli Eyal, Yoram Beck, Amnon Hadari, Yohanan Manor, Elieser Schweid. Published by the Department of Publicity/The World Zionist Organization, Jerusalem.
It doesn't matter if conspiracy site owners use it, but this document is real, it's a material that exists. It is written by some Zionist elites mentioned above and published in Israel on an Israeli Journal dedicated for Judaism and Zionism. Your attempt of belittling my thread as a conspiracy theory is laughable.
Hell, the biggest denomination in your country promotes for israel expansion as a part of their religious faith, deny this too.
I have nothing to do with evangelical Christians, whom I regard as generally batshit.
If this were Israeli policy and not some nutter's crumb picked up and recycled solely by conspiracy theorists, you wouldn't have to go back to 1982 for it. You're talking about a document over 30 years old that's shunned by all but anti-Israel nuts. It's moved firmly into "conspiracy theorist" territory. This would be like me insisting ABSCAM was still relevant.
04 Aug 2014, 11:32 am
Ectryon wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
Ectryon wrote:
Converting to Judaism wont get you a pass into Israel, consider the fact that they sterilised Ethiopian Jews who had a legitimate claim to enter Israel.
No, they didn't.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 68800.html
the medical definition of sterilisation as given by Dorland's is:
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. any procedure by which an individual is made incapable of reproduction.
its perhaps implicit that this is not designed to be temporary. Depo provera is injected and lasts three months. If this were administered 4 times a year indefinitely it would qualify as sterilisation
The essence of the point is the same however. They ensured that the Ethiopians would not and could not have more "goy" kids
No, they didn't.
Please read this:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5637511 ... t=#5637511
And this:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6171000 ... t=#6171000
04 Aug 2014, 11:54 am
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Please read this:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5637511 ... t=#5637511
And this:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6171000 ... t=#6171000
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5637511 ... t=#5637511
And this:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6171000 ... t=#6171000
Read through it all and there was no definitive answer. Rather than saying "no they didnt" a more suitable respone would surely be Gamza's original statement was mistranslated. This does not however insubstantiate the claims or put the issue to rest. Ethiopian women (35) claimed to have been coerced and as far back as 2009 there were concerned reports that this may have been occurring.
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04 Aug 2014, 12:00 pm
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I guarantee it: accept Israel's right to exist, knock of the bombing and attacks, and you'll see peace
Israel would have no choice in such a situation but its never going to happen because Israel has Palestine in a besieged "prison" (D,Cameron). Israel knows that its actions are creating fertile ground for Hamas but proceeds anyway. You are claimingself defensive motives when Israel's policy is primarily offensive and indiscriminately so.
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04 Aug 2014, 12:08 pm
Ectryon wrote:
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Please read this:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5637511 ... t=#5637511
And this:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6171000 ... t=#6171000
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5637511 ... t=#5637511
And this:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6171000 ... t=#6171000
Read through it all and there was no definitive answer. Rather than saying "no they didnt" a more suitable respone would surely be Gamza's original statement was mistranslated. This does not however insubstantiate the claims or put the issue to rest. Ethiopian women (35) claimed to have been coerced and as far back as 2009 there were concerned reports that this may have been occurring.
Depo-Provera is a contraceptive. It does not cause sterilization. As such, your claim about sterilization is wrong by definition.
04 Aug 2014, 12:38 pm
GGPViper wrote:
Ectryon wrote:
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Please read this:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5637511 ... t=#5637511
And this:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6171000 ... t=#6171000
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5637511 ... t=#5637511
And this:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6171000 ... t=#6171000
Read through it all and there was no definitive answer. Rather than saying "no they didnt" a more suitable respone would surely be Gamza's original statement was mistranslated. This does not however insubstantiate the claims or put the issue to rest. Ethiopian women (35) claimed to have been coerced and as far back as 2009 there were concerned reports that this may have been occurring.
Depo-Provera is a contraceptive. It does not cause sterilization. As such, your claim about sterilization is wrong by definition.
I already conceded this. Sterilsation is invasive and prevents conception taking place. Depo provera can actually be used in this way if injections are issued quarterly. As I said before also the essenc of the point is much the same. It demonstrates a deep seated ideology of ethnic purity and/or xenophobia
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04 Aug 2014, 12:44 pm
Ectryon wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
Ectryon wrote:
Quote:
Please read this:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5637511 ... t=#5637511
And this:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6171000 ... t=#6171000
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5637511 ... t=#5637511
And this:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6171000 ... t=#6171000
Read through it all and there was no definitive answer. Rather than saying "no they didnt" a more suitable respone would surely be Gamza's original statement was mistranslated. This does not however insubstantiate the claims or put the issue to rest. Ethiopian women (35) claimed to have been coerced and as far back as 2009 there were concerned reports that this may have been occurring.
Depo-Provera is a contraceptive. It does not cause sterilization. As such, your claim about sterilization is wrong by definition.
I already conceded this. Sterilsation is invasive and prevents conception taking place. Depo provera can actually be used in this way if injections are issued quarterly. As I said before also the essenc of the point is much the same. It demonstrates a deep seated ideology of ethnic purity and/or xenophobia.
Then why did Israel decide to bring the entire Beta Israel community from Ethiopia to Israel in the first place?
04 Aug 2014, 12:52 pm
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Then why did Israel decide to bring the entire Beta Israel community from Ethiopia to Israel in the first place?
Had they not done so they would have severely tarnished their image particularly with their policy towards the Palestinians. This is the only explanation that immediately occurs to me.The fact is they were not treated with the same level of respect as native Israelis. They may well be considered Jews (many rabbis dispute this) but the allegations suggest they were treated like second class jews.
http://www.amren.com/news/2005/03/racism_alive_an/
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04 Aug 2014, 12:58 pm
Humanaut wrote:
Do you have any intel on the secret Israeli moon bases?
What a ridiculously transparent attempt to distract readers from the content of the article, which I doubt you even read yourself.
Humanaut wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I am not inventing anything.
It's never too late. Have some inspiration: ...List_of_Israeli_inventions_and_discoveries
It's amazing how often I've seen Zio-fanatics on internet forums trying to support their case by making irrelevant comments about things Israel has invented. You won't see these people trying to justify American or British foreign aggression by listing American or British inventions, even though those lists dwarf what Israel has to offer.
ruveyn wrote:
All six million Israelis building an empire to rule over 7.2 billion human beings..
This is the most ridiculous thing since that fiction: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion was published
This is the most ridiculous thing since that fiction: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion was published
Looks like another poster who didn't even read the article being discussed. The article discusses Israel's plans for its Middle East neighbours, not for the whole world. Besides, the idea of Jews even obtaining their own country in the Middle East must have seemed ridiculous to a lot of people back in 1897.
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
tarantella64 wrote:
Jeez, that's almost as good as The Elders of Zion, Boo. You realize that the only people who want anything to do with this nonsense are conspiracy-site owners, right?
Of course, if Europe can't start dealing better with its own antisemitism, they're going to have to find some more colonial territory to slice up and abandon soon. That patch by you's getting crowded, and New York's not long for this world. Hallooo, Toronto!
Of course, if Europe can't start dealing better with its own antisemitism, they're going to have to find some more colonial territory to slice up and abandon soon. That patch by you's getting crowded, and New York's not long for this world. Hallooo, Toronto!
This document is not a conspiracy theory; read the headline again:
This essay originally appeared in Hebrew in KIVUNIM (Directions), A Journal for Judaism and Zionism; Issue No, 14?Winter, 5742, February 1982, Editor: Yoram Beck. Editorial Committee: Eli Eyal, Yoram Beck, Amnon Hadari, Yohanan Manor, Elieser Schweid. Published by the Department of Publicity/The World Zionist Organization, Jerusalem.
It doesn't matter if conspiracy site owners use it, but this document is real, it's a material that exists. It is written by some Zionist elites mentioned above and published in Israel on an Israeli Journal dedicated for Judaism and Zionism. Your attempt of belittling my thread as a conspiracy theory is laughable.
Hell, the biggest denomination in your country promotes for israel expansion as a part of their religious faith, deny this too.
The_Face_of_Boo, well said.
Again we see an insight into the debating tactics of Zio-fanatics and those influenced by them: we are supposed to view the quoting of an actual essay published by the World Zionist Organization as conspiracy-mongering because it was reprinted on some website we're not supposed to like, or something.
No wonder Zionist hawks can write and speak so boldly within Israel. If anyone translates their words and broadcasts them to the wider world, they'll just be met with a load of denials by Hasbarats and their dupes.
04 Aug 2014, 1:03 pm
For pities' sake. The original article comes from a journal devoted to Jewish and ZIONIST issues. Why is it surprising that an article espousing ultra extreme zionist ideals would be published there? Why also does this article somehow represent modern foreign policy? Its an academic journal and this is little more than idle musing.
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"Kivunim Hadashim" (New Directions) is a journal offering an autonomous and independent platform on issues relating to Zionism and the Jewish People in a contemporary context, such as:
http://www.worldcat.org/title/kivunim/oclc/236010884
Listed as a publication of the World Zionist Organisation
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04 Aug 2014, 1:08 pm
Ectryon wrote:
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Then why did Israel decide to bring the entire Beta Israel community from Ethiopia to Israel in the first place?
Had they not done so they would have severely tarnished their image particularly with their policy towards the Palestinians. This is the only explanation that immediately occurs to me.The fact is they were not treated with the same level of respect as native Israelis. They may well be considered Jews (many rabbis dispute this) but the allegations suggest they were treated like second class jews.
Perhaps you would do well to read up on history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah_from_Ethiopia
Israel went to great lengths to evacuate the Beta Israel community from Ethiopia. No similar efforts were ever made towards any other Jewish diaspora.
Your claims about ethnic purity and xenophobia are - as your claims about sterilization - without merit.
04 Aug 2014, 1:20 pm
GGPViper wrote:
Ectryon wrote:
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Then why did Israel decide to bring the entire Beta Israel community from Ethiopia to Israel in the first place?
Had they not done so they would have severely tarnished their image particularly with their policy towards the Palestinians. This is the only explanation that immediately occurs to me.The fact is they were not treated with the same level of respect as native Israelis. They may well be considered Jews (many rabbis dispute this) but the allegations suggest they were treated like second class jews.
Perhaps you would do well to read up on history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah_from_Ethiopia
Israel went to great lengths to evacuate the Beta Israel community from Ethiopia. No similar efforts were ever made towards any other Jewish diaspora.
Your claims about ethnic purity and xenophobia are - as your claims about sterilization - without merit.
Im about to pop to the shops so I dont have time to do my own investgiation but as far as I can ascertain the Ethiopians constitute the only group to have petitioned for asylum. Your argument basically ignores the fact that these immigrants may have been coerced into birth control to limit their numbers. The corollary is that they were not considered to be on an equal standing with Israelis.
Again may I remind you that I retracted my claim of sterilisation. A single administration of Depo Provera does not constitute sterilisation in the received sense.
Israeli politicians are also on record saying some pretty racist and hateful things about the Palestinians. Zionism itself is rather xenophobic in some of its hardline sects.
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04 Aug 2014, 1:20 pm
The Israelis don't want a free and independent Palestinian state, they've been waging economic war for decades against them. The Israelis will never allow Palestine the resources to actually create a state, they'll never allow they handle their own defenses, and they never intend to return what they've already taken. They'll allow them limited self rule over their urban ghettos and then justify their occupation when they elect people that want to free them. How do olive trees in the West Bank endanger the safety of Israel and their settlers in the West Bank? How is that any different that any different than what the Nazis did the Jewish businesses in Nazi Germany? What do you think the ultimate goal of the settlements in the West Bank? Israel is trying to ethnically cleanse land they believe is promised to them by god, they are trying to make life so miserable and unlivable that the Palestinians have no choice but to leave.
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06 Aug 2014, 2:26 pm
Jacoby wrote:
The Israelis don't want a free and independent Palestinian state, they've been waging economic war for decades against them. The Israelis will never allow Palestine the resources to actually create a state, they'll never allow they handle their own defenses, and they never intend to return what they've already taken. They'll allow them limited self rule over their urban ghettos and then justify their occupation when they elect people that want to free them. How do olive trees in the West Bank endanger the safety of Israel and their settlers in the West Bank? How is that any different that any different than what the Nazis did the Jewish businesses in Nazi Germany? What do you think the ultimate goal of the settlements in the West Bank? Israel is trying to ethnically cleanse land they believe is promised to them by god, they are trying to make life so miserable and unlivable that the Palestinians have no choice but to leave.
^This pretty much sums up my opinion on the matter. Only 9 nations voted against recognizing Palestine as a nation in the last UN vote (2012), one of which was (surprise, surprise) Israel. In the 2012 dust up, the IDF destroyed the last chicken farm in Gaza, eliminating the strip's last means of completely independent food production. This go around they took out their only power plant and most of its hospitals and medical centers, along with dozens of mosques and schools. Israel hit around 4000 targets in this latest clash. I have trouble believing that there were that many valid military targets.
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06 Aug 2014, 4:27 pm
sonofghandi wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
The Israelis don't want a free and independent Palestinian state, they've been waging economic war for decades against them. The Israelis will never allow Palestine the resources to actually create a state, they'll never allow they handle their own defenses, and they never intend to return what they've already taken. They'll allow them limited self rule over their urban ghettos and then justify their occupation when they elect people that want to free them. How do olive trees in the West Bank endanger the safety of Israel and their settlers in the West Bank? How is that any different that any different than what the Nazis did the Jewish businesses in Nazi Germany? What do you think the ultimate goal of the settlements in the West Bank? Israel is trying to ethnically cleanse land they believe is promised to them by god, they are trying to make life so miserable and unlivable that the Palestinians have no choice but to leave.
^This pretty much sums up my opinion on the matter. Only 9 nations voted against recognizing Palestine as a nation in the last UN vote (2012), one of which was (surprise, surprise) Israel. In the 2012 dust up, the IDF destroyed the last chicken farm in Gaza, eliminating the strip's last means of completely independent food production. This go around they took out their only power plant and most of its hospitals and medical centers, along with dozens of mosques and schools. Israel hit around 4000 targets in this latest clash. I have trouble believing that there were that many valid military targets.
I'm sorry, but you're delusional. If Israel were trying to "ethnically cleanse" the area, it wouldn't have ceded either Gaza or the Sinai in the first place. Nor would they have left behind starter agricultural businesses for the Palestinians. Nor would they have removed Israeli settlers by force, nor would they have donated building supplies. Nor would they bother allowing Palestinians in for any reason whatsoever. Nor would they have bothered building an Iron Dome rather than just going in and levelling the place.
So long as the Palestinian state's de facto government has as one of its purposes "destroy Israel", yes, Israel will maintain solid defenses and do what it can to maintain a blockade. For reasons made abundantly clear during this campaign. Those tunnels and weapons caches weren't put there by tiny desert critters.
06 Aug 2014, 5:05 pm
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I'm sorry, but you're delusional. If Israel were trying to "ethnically cleanse" the area, it wouldn't have ceded either Gaza or the Sinai in the first place. Nor would they have left behind starter agricultural businesses for the Palestinians. Nor would they have removed Israeli settlers by force, nor would they have donated building supplies. Nor would they bother allowing Palestinians in for any reason whatsoever. Nor would they have bothered building an Iron Dome rather than just going in and levelling the place.
So long as the Palestinian state's de facto government has as one of its purposes "destroy Israel", yes, Israel will maintain solid defenses and do what it can to maintain a blockade. For reasons made abundantly clear during this campaign. Those tunnels and weapons caches weren't put there by tiny desert critters.
So long as the Palestinian state's de facto government has as one of its purposes "destroy Israel", yes, Israel will maintain solid defenses and do what it can to maintain a blockade. For reasons made abundantly clear during this campaign. Those tunnels and weapons caches weren't put there by tiny desert critters.
Israeli withdrawal from Gaza was initially dubbed the "seperation plan" by Sharon. It ensured that Gaza became a totally self contained prison camp with an iron dome naval patrols and border forces.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/featur ... 00109.html
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