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07 Aug 2014, 1:04 am

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Try getting shot in the head by a maniac, and I'll bet your opinions will change because of the experience.


Yes, brain damage would make gun control seem like a good idea, not sure what everyone else's excuse is.


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07 Aug 2014, 1:11 am

To not get shot in the head?


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07 Aug 2014, 1:20 am

The matter of a whipped James Brady being taken advantage of by his hag of a wife to support gun control has been brought up.
Well, as a matter of fact, Ronald Reagan had originally been a Hollywood liberal, when he fell head over heels for Nancy, who was an actress at the time who had wrongly been put on a black list. Well, Reagan was so enamored by her that he got her name off the list in exchange for a date. One thing led to another, and they ended up a power couple, but not in the movie business. Neither being anything more than B list actors, Nancy had convinced Ronny to adopt her right wing politics, and run for office. She told him how to act and what to say, as if she was running a studio with one player - her husband. Reagan used his acting ability and ruggedly handsome looks to get Nancy into the White House, where she could envision herself as the star she could never make herself in Hollywood.
Yeah, one of the two guys shot by John Hinckley Jr. was majorly whipped by an evil hag, and it wasn't Brady.


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07 Aug 2014, 3:40 am

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The guy got shot in the head by a lunatic (who wanted to impress a lesbian movie actress who was a child when staring in the movie). I think the Bradys had reason for becoming activists, regardless if you believe in their cause.


Please stop with the demeaning words for people with mental illness. You've done it several times in this thread. Please stop with the ableism; it's not good for Autistics:

http://www.autistichoya.com/p/ableist-w ... avoid.html


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07 Aug 2014, 3:46 am

RIP Jim Brady.

I think, however, that the organization named after him is misguided. As Dox mentioned, real gun safety involves learning how to handle it properly, to include always checking to see if it is in a "fire-ready" state and never pointing it at anything you don't wanna shoot.


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07 Aug 2014, 4:10 am

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Kraichgauer wrote:
The guy got shot in the head by a lunatic (who wanted to impress a lesbian movie actress who was a child when staring in the movie). I think the Bradys had reason for becoming activists, regardless if you believe in their cause.


Please stop with the demeaning words for people with mental illness. You've done it several times in this thread. Please stop with the ableism; it's not good for Autistics:

http://www.autistichoya.com/p/ableist-w ... avoid.html


Yes, of course I should choose my words more carefully. But sometimes words like lunatic, maniac, or psychopath are the only descriptions fitting someone who commits deplorable actions, mental illness or not.


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07 Aug 2014, 4:14 am

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The guy got shot in the head by a lunatic (who wanted to impress a lesbian movie actress who was a child when staring in the movie). I think the Bradys had reason for becoming activists, regardless if you believe in their cause.


Please stop with the demeaning words for people with mental illness. You've done it several times in this thread. Please stop with the ableism; it's not good for Autistics:

http://www.autistichoya.com/p/ableist-w ... avoid.html


Yes, of course I should choose my words more carefully. But sometimes words like lunatic, maniac, or psychopath are the only descriptions fitting someone who commits deplorable actions, mental illness or not.


How about, someone who needed help and didn't get it? Did the Brady Campaign ever make a point of that? If I recall, a lot of the loss of support for people with mental illness came during the Reagan years, as many hospitals closed their doors while scant community programs were set up. A lot would end up in prison in environments terrible for their mental health.


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07 Aug 2014, 4:27 am

beneficii wrote:
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beneficii wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The guy got shot in the head by a lunatic (who wanted to impress a lesbian movie actress who was a child when staring in the movie). I think the Bradys had reason for becoming activists, regardless if you believe in their cause.


Please stop with the demeaning words for people with mental illness. You've done it several times in this thread. Please stop with the ableism; it's not good for Autistics:

http://www.autistichoya.com/p/ableist-w ... avoid.html


Yes, of course I should choose my words more carefully. But sometimes words like lunatic, maniac, or psychopath are the only descriptions fitting someone who commits deplorable actions, mental illness or not.


How about, someone who needed help and didn't get it? Did the Brady Campaign ever make a point of that? If I recall, a lot of the loss of support for people with mental illness came during the Reagan years, as many hospitals closed their doors while scant community programs were set up. A lot would end up in prison in environments terrible for their mental health.


That is absolutely true. There are far too many people in need of mental health care punished by law enforcement. As you pointed out, it was under Reagan's watch that the mentally ill were left out in the streets - more than a little ironic that a man severely in need of mental health care shot him.
In my defense, I never said every person with mental health issues is a lunatic or maniac - and in fact, plenty of sane people who do insane things (Pol Pot, the guards at Abu Garaib, Hitler's SS, etc.) absolutely deserve to be called lunatics or maniacs. It's actions I judge, not the accident of bad mental health.


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07 Aug 2014, 4:42 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The guy got shot in the head by a lunatic (who wanted to impress a lesbian movie actress who was a child when staring in the movie). I think the Bradys had reason for becoming activists, regardless if you believe in their cause.


Please stop with the demeaning words for people with mental illness. You've done it several times in this thread. Please stop with the ableism; it's not good for Autistics:

http://www.autistichoya.com/p/ableist-w ... avoid.html


Yes, of course I should choose my words more carefully. But sometimes words like lunatic, maniac, or psychopath are the only descriptions fitting someone who commits deplorable actions, mental illness or not.


How about, someone who needed help and didn't get it? Did the Brady Campaign ever make a point of that? If I recall, a lot of the loss of support for people with mental illness came during the Reagan years, as many hospitals closed their doors while scant community programs were set up. A lot would end up in prison in environments terrible for their mental health.


That is absolutely true. There are far too many people in need of mental health care punished by law enforcement. As you pointed out, it was under Reagan's watch that the mentally ill were left out in the streets - more than a little ironic that a man severely in need of mental health care shot him.
In my defense, I never said every person with mental health issues is a lunatic or maniac - and in fact, plenty of sane people who do insane things (Pol Pot, the guards at Abu Garaib, Hitler's SS, etc.) absolutely deserve to be called lunatics or maniacs. It's actions I judge, not the accident of bad mental health.


I'd prefer to call them evil, jerks, abusers, etc., than to use words that demean people with mental illness when what you're really discussing is a moral issue.

Whether you mean to refer to all people with mental illness or not, by using those terms you are grouping all mentally ill people together. If a black man commits a crime, then would you feel right calling him the n-word? If not, then why is it OK to use demeaning words for people with mental illness when referring to evil actions?


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07 Aug 2014, 5:10 am

^^^ One problem is that many of the words use to describe horrible people are censored here. On many websites and forums I have seen people call others "autistic basement dwellers" and stuff like that, but calling someone a s**tbag (which is pretty neutral towards the receiving person, it does not describe them any more than it does others) is not ok. We need more piss and poo insults, not fewer.

edit: How did that get through the auto-censor-thingie? Hmm, guess it's ok now.



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07 Aug 2014, 5:41 am

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Former Reagan press secretary, who had turned the tragedy of his near fatal shooting during the attempt on the President's life into a crusade for gun safety and accountability, has died at age 74. God speed, Jim.


He was 73.


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07 Aug 2014, 10:11 am

It's a sad day when the death of a man sparks ridicule of him and what he believed in.

I don't agree with Jim Brady's viewpoints, and I would stand up and be counted in opposition to his proposals - but I absolutely respect him for sticking by his beliefs and trying to make the world a better place in the best way he knew how.

He was my rival, not my enemy, and I mourn his loss the same as I would anyone else.


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07 Aug 2014, 11:43 am

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Kraichgauer, Kraichgauer, Kraichgauer...
- If they're only good for (like you DID say) going "BANG" then they can't very well be deadly weapons. To kill people they would have to be useful for that purpose which takes more than going bang. You can't backslide out of this now.

- I intended the note about the gun control part of the black codes and Jim Crow laws to point out the anti-civil rights history of gun control. I thnk you know that but have elected not to acknowledge it since to do so would be going against the liberal narrative on the subject.

- My idea of dealing with bank robberies is not to cower on the floor like sheep hoping and praying that the robbers don't start shooting based only on the fact that the robbers in the last few robberies didnt turn it into a massacre the past few times. The way to even help keep banks from being robbed at gunpoint is to make them hard targets (a term you'll undoubtedly elect not to comprehend) and deter robberies that way. Peace through strength.

- Brady didn't turn diddly into activism. His old lady expanded on her pre-existing anti-gun agenda by using him. Without him and his misfortune she'd be just another shrill anti-gun hag without much of an audience. His taking a bullet in the noggin was a godsend to her. Not only can he be held up as an example for the weak minded but in his mentally handicapped state it couldn't have taken much work on her part to get him to go along with her, hook, line, and sinker. Really, this isn't rocket science.

- As for Jim Brady having words for me just telling it how it is; yes, guys who are pussywhipped tend to take offense to the truth on that. He has an excuse, being brain-shot, but he'd probably still take exception to that charge. I'm sure you've been around a group of guys and one of them casually uses the term "pussywhipped" and some other guy gets all vocally butthurt about it. 9 times out of 10 (conservaive estimate because it's probably more like 999 times out of 1000) he's whipped and is sensitive about it. Of course, by taking issue with the use of that term he's just identified himself as being whipped and will never live it down. I've seen it before.


couldnt be that the word is just offensive and considered a curse word. most women do not like the word used around them. I don't like using or hearing offensive words or phrases. if somone is offended by the word Ni*** does that mean they are one and are just covering for it. :roll:



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07 Aug 2014, 12:18 pm

Hope you didnt thnk I forgot about you. :P

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Again, and again, I did this thread to commemorate Brady's passing.
You chose to make it into a lightning rod and it became a lightning rod the instant you clicked on Submit. Don't go blaming be because I happen to be a lightning bolt.

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And how do you know Brady didn't change his opinions because of his near death experience? Traumatic experiences change people all the time.

Again I'll walk you through this;
1. Jim wasn't an anti-gunner when he got shot in the head.
2. Jim suffered long term brain damage that left him in a mentally weakened state.
3. Sarah was an ardent anti gunner before all this happened.
Now add them up.

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Ask anyone who's had to deal with you on WP. :lol:
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07 Aug 2014, 12:30 pm

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The matter of a whipped James Brady being taken advantage of by his hag of a wife to support gun control has been brought up.
Well, as a matter of fact, Ronald Reagan had originally been a Hollywood liberal, when he fell head over heels for Nancy, who was an actress at the time who had wrongly been put on a black list. Well, Reagan was so enamored by her that he got her name off the list in exchange for a date. One thing led to another, and they ended up a power couple, but not in the movie business. Neither being anything more than B list actors, Nancy had convinced Ronny to adopt her right wing politics, and run for office. She told him how to act and what to say, as if she was running a studio with one player - her husband. Reagan used his acting ability and ruggedly handsome looks to get Nancy into the White House, where she could envision herself as the star she could never make herself in Hollywood.
Yeah, one of the two guys shot by John Hinckley Jr. was majorly whipped by an evil hag, and it wasn't Brady.


So what?
I'm not even going to look into seeing if all that's true or not because in this case it's too late to matter.
Reagan's presidency ended in January of 1989 (25 years ago for Pete's sake :roll: ) and he took his old lady with him. The Brady Center for Violence (or whatever it calls itself as of late) lives on and will continue to.


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07 Aug 2014, 12:51 pm

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It's a sad day when the death of a man sparks ridicule of him and what he believed in.

I don't agree with Jim Brady's viewpoints, and I would stand up and be counted in opposition to his proposals - but I absolutely respect him for sticking by his beliefs and trying to make the world a better place in the best way he knew how.

He was my rival, not my enemy, and I mourn his loss the same as I would anyone else.


Did you even read all of this thread? There's been very little in the way of attacks on Jim Brady himself unless you elect to intentionally read that into what has been said.
Having said that, If anything the Brady group is indirectly responsible for many of the gun related injuries and deaths they claim to be against. I see nothing respectable about those kinds of beliefs or how they can be seen as an honest attempt to make the world a better place.
Your fair weather quasi pro-gun stance hasn't gone unnoticed by me in the past so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised by this....


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