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04 Nov 2014, 4:40 pm

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The only information most democrat voters want is to know is how much more free stuff are they going to get.

The only information most republican voters want is to know is how much more free stuff the ultra wealthy can take from us.
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Now do you get it???
Hint: I was commenting on your run of the mill partisan sniping!
However, my comment was based in reality. * The ultra rich get free stuff and do not work or contribute. The poor (many work 2 jobs at less than survival wages) and the middle class do contribute. However, the uber rich only bet on our productivity.
* Your position is about the planet bizarro and has nothing to do with reality.

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04 Nov 2014, 7:09 pm

Brainfre3ze_93 wrote:

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Jacoby wrote:

I suspect Joe Barton is smarter than he lets on, he's pretty connected to the oil industry and his constituents in Texas are all about God and oil so he's playing to his audience.

As for the 10th Amendment, it says basically that powers not explicitly granted in the constitution to the federal government do not exist and that they are reserved for the states and the people. Is every EPA regulation explicitly authorized in the constitution? Is mandating health insurance in the constitution? Saying that intrusion into our personal lives happened "mostly under GWB" is pretty silly and just straight up untrue when Obama has doubled down on every Bush era policy and expanded them and started many of his own, Obama is Bush+ and there is literally no difference between the two. Now I'll give you most republicans are just partisan hacks but so are democrats, most of Bush's biggest critics are now Obama's biggest cheerleaders and the anti-war left is nowhere to be found. Infringing on our businesses and bank accounts, what's hard to understand about that? We're overregulated, overtaxed, and overspent.

also FWIW, not a Republican

I was not saying Obama is any better, but what I was saying is that republicans have some odd ways of " helping. " Take Joe Barton for example, I got an ad from him saying that by using Fracking will help launch the U.S. into the world's top oil production position. I've some serious problems with that considering the chemical composition from each oil company that use fracking is unknown. Most chemicals that are know are incredibly dangerous to one's health. It wastes tons of water, and if the work was sub-par which can happen since we're human. Those same chemicals could get into the water supply, which if they do most chemical plants can't treat. However Barton believes that fracking will lead an economic revolution for the U.S. That's the reason why I asked if republicans know better, because if they did realize the danger of fracking they wouldn't use it. But they still do it even though the potential danger of it is very real. Considering there are already reports of fracking contaminating water supplies in the areas where fracking was used.

My mind was made up about fracking after water started catching on fire. The defenders of fracking claimed that the water in those areas always caught on fire!! !! !! !! !

Seriously!?

Unfortunately, yes.

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04 Nov 2014, 7:11 pm

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The only information most republican voters want is to know is how much more free stuff the ultra wealthy can take from us.

Is this that "calm and deadly" debate technique you keep talking about? Funny, it looks like run of the mill partisan sniping from over here.

But have you ever taken conservatives to task for saying people only vote Democrat to get stuff from the government? That charge is just run-of-the-mill snipping on the right's part, isn't it?

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04 Nov 2014, 9:07 pm

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I was using your sentence structure. You really did not understand what I was doing?! !

Did you really not realize that I'm not Raptor?

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04 Nov 2014, 9:09 pm

Dox47 wrote:

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I was using your sentence structure. You really did not understand what I was doing?! !

Did you really not realize that I'm not Raptor?

You're not?

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04 Nov 2014, 9:11 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

But have you ever taken conservatives to task for saying people only vote Democrat to get stuff from the government?

Yes, actually, it's my stock example of a right wing bad faith argument that I've used often, which you'd know if you actually payed attention to things.

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That charge is just run-of-the-mill snipping on the right's part, isn't it?

Could you at least try and pay attention? This isn't about the partisanship, this is me tweaking someone who's been bragging about how great he is at debate while demonstrating none of the claimed aptitude, a trick you're no doubt familiar with.

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04 Nov 2014, 9:54 pm

Dox47 wrote:

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But have you ever taken conservatives to task for saying people only vote Democrat to get stuff from the government?

Yes, actually, it's my stock example of a right wing bad faith argument that I've used often, which you'd know if you actually payed attention to things.

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That charge is just run-of-the-mill snipping on the right's part, isn't it?

You sure as sh*t could have fooled me that this isn't about partisanship. Please, don't try making this personal.
And I do pay attention to what you post; I just don't agree that, beyond police abuse of power and the like, you and other libertarians seem to have far more in common with conservatives than liberals.

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04 Nov 2014, 10:25 pm

Independents also have much more in common with libertarians and conservatives than with liberals.

I think it comes from having a reality based world view.

Liberals make up Fairy Tales, and when reality does not change to suit them, blame those who said,

"I told you so."

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04 Nov 2014, 10:59 pm

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Really? Independents around here (the Pacific Northwest) more often than not lean more toward liberals. My wife used to be an independent till she realized every candidate and cause she supported were Democratic.

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05 Nov 2014, 12:40 am

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And I do pay attention to what you post; I just don't agree that, beyond police abuse of power and the like, you and other libertarians seem to have far more in common with conservatives than liberals.

No, you don't, otherwise I wouldn't have to spend so much time correcting you when you project things onto me that bear no resemblance to anything I've ever said. Read the initial exchange again, it has nothing to do with the politics of what is being said and everything to do with the inane unoriginality of it.

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05 Nov 2014, 12:53 am

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Kraichgauer wrote:

Everything is essentially political.

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05 Nov 2014, 3:10 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

Everything is essentially political.

Maybe to you, but you viewpoint is demonstrably skewed. While we're at it, when is the last time you interceded when one of your liberal brethren went too far? I've checked Raptor alone numerous times when I thought he was pushing it, but I've never seen you once restrain over the top rhetoric coming from your "side", you'll even believe blatant lies when they come from your sidekick.

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05 Nov 2014, 3:20 am

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Everything is essentially political.

You mean auntblabby? When does blabby lie?

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05 Nov 2014, 3:29 am

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You mean auntblabby? When does blabby lie?

Me as some gaslighting villain, cackling as I torment the poor Aspies I look down my nose at ring any bells for you?

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05 Nov 2014, 7:31 am

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What fairy tales?
1. Global warming that EVERY scientific organization in the world recognizes as fact? *
2. That Wall Street and the banks caused the current economic problems?
3. That there has been a theft from the poor and middle class to the uber rich?
Obviously the above 3 are all true. Conservatives love their fairy tales that the above is not true and if we simply let international corporations control everything (deregulation, citizen's united etc) things will get even better. Now that is a fairy tale that rivals santa for sillyness.
* And yes, global warming is more accurate than climate change. The world is getting warmer because of CO2 output. To claim that eventually CO2 will cool the world is silly and junk science. I stand with EVERY scientific organization in the world. You have the right to stand with such intellectual luminaries such as Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck... (sarcasm obviously those two arnt very bright.)

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05 Nov 2014, 12:25 pm

Dox47 wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

You mean auntblabby? When does blabby lie?

Me as some gaslighting villain, cackling as I torment the poor Aspies I look down my nose at ring any bells for you?

You're not? :lol:

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