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20 Aug 2015, 5:00 am

Technically, you're only proven to be a human being when you have children with a known, opposite-sex human being, and at least one child of yours has children of their own with another known, opposite-sex human being. Only then have you proven to be the same species as your partner by producing fertile offspring.

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20 Aug 2015, 6:43 am

Spiderpig wrote:

How would you then prove said children are your offspring?

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Lol, you are completely wrong. I have a history but it's not what you think it is. And I don't share it here for obvious reasons.

You were raised in a country where women and children aren't put in the lifeboats first?

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20 Aug 2015, 8:34 am

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I have been accused of living a sheltered life many of times. But aren't the feminist of that extremity just a small fringe minority of feminist?

It's like saying all Muslims are terrorists or all Fundies are cultists.

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20 Aug 2015, 10:00 am

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How would you then prove said children are your offspring?

If you're female, it's quite trivial. If you're male, the whole childmaking process has to be publicly monitored, including a few months before the conception, to make sure your partner didn't have sex with anyone other than you during that time.

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20 Aug 2015, 10:25 am

Spiderpig wrote:

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How would you then prove said children are your offspring?

We have DNA testing now also.

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20 Aug 2015, 11:02 am

Spiderpig wrote:

adifferentname wrote:

How would you then prove said children are your offspring?

This sounds like quite the undertaking. Who will be relied upon to faithfully monitor the female partner and ensure fidelity?

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We have DNA testing now also.

Which rather renders the whole thing pointless. After all, if we can determine parentage through DNA testing we can also determine species.

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20 Aug 2015, 11:14 am

DNA can be used to determine species and parentage only because we have empirical data backing up the theories on how genes are recombined, and that individuals with certain parts of their DNA in common can interbreed producing fertile offspring.

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20 Aug 2015, 1:52 pm

Yep, true. We can use DNA to ferret out the aliens.

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20 Aug 2015, 4:21 pm

I'm one of those who lives a mundane life, goes to work, naps, goes home, sleeps, gets up, goes to work again.

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21 Aug 2015, 2:39 pm

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How would you then prove said children are your offspring?

A relationship is built on love and trust. You don't concern yourself with these things. And besides; natural child,step-child, or adopted child are only concepts for disturbed minds; they are all children and they all are equally deserving of love.

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21 Aug 2015, 6:24 pm

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A relationship is built on love and trust.

The good ones are, yes.

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You don't concern yourself with these things.

Well no, you do, but yes.

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And besides; natural child,step-child, or adopted child are only concepts for disturbed minds; they are all children and they all are equally deserving of love.

While that's a nice idea in theory, no force in the world is going to make you love another child as much as you love your natural born child. We're kind of wired that way. This isn't meant to denigrate, but I'd put money on you not having a child of your own.

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21 Aug 2015, 9:33 pm

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I just wish the men's rights activist weren't so shamelessly misogynist.

Could you point out some specific examples?

It seems logical to me to use feminists as the metric by which we measure MRA behaviours. I've read a lot of MRA literature, as well as hundreds of articles by feminists, and of course watched videos made by supporters of both and neither. Generally I find MRAs to be more focused on the issue rather than focused on blaming their woes on a particular sex.

Or are you suggesting that fighting for men's rights is inherently misogynistic?

Here's a shining example:

Bill Cosby’s victims? Or just a bunch of drug whoring star f*****s?

But any number of articles at avoiceformen.com will do.

Like the articles that say that men get raped as much or more than women -- men get raped in prison (by men) while women get raped in college. By men. This is hardly equity.

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21 Aug 2015, 9:48 pm

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Here's a shining example:

Bill Cosby’s victims? Or just a bunch of drug whoring star f*****s?

What particular point raised by the article do you find fault with?

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But any number of articles at avoiceformen.com will do.

Will do for what? You haven't offered an argument at all.

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Like the articles that say that men get raped as much or more than women -- men get raped in prison (by men) while women get raped in college. By men. This is hardly equity.

And men get raped in college, by women and by men, and women get raped by women in prison, boys and girls get raped by their teachers and carers. Seriously, what is your actual point? Your only objection seems to be the existence of male advocacy.

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21 Aug 2015, 9:58 pm

adifferentname wrote:

blauSamstag wrote:

Here's a shining example:

Bill Cosby’s victims? Or just a bunch of drug whoring star f*****s?

What particular point raised by the article do you find fault with?

The title, the entire text, and the accompanying image.

By any sane measure, the alleged actions of bill cosby are objectively rape.

And the linked article is breathtakingly misogynist.

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21 Aug 2015, 10:36 pm

blauSamstag wrote:

adifferentname wrote:

blauSamstag wrote:

Here's a shining example:

Bill Cosby’s victims? Or just a bunch of drug whoring star f*****s?

What particular point raised by the article do you find fault with?

The title, the entire text, and the accompanying image.

By any sane measure, the alleged actions of bill cosby are objectively rape.

Key word: alleged.

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And the linked article is breathtakingly misogynist.

Because?

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21 Aug 2015, 11:39 pm

adifferentname wrote:

blauSamstag wrote:

adifferentname wrote:

blauSamstag wrote:

Here's a shining example:

Bill Cosby’s victims? Or just a bunch of drug whoring star f*****s?

What particular point raised by the article do you find fault with?

The title, the entire text, and the accompanying image.

By any sane measure, the alleged actions of bill cosby are objectively rape.

Key word: alleged.

More than 40 women have accused him. Given statutes of limitations, none of them have anything to gain from the accusations.

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And the linked article is breathtakingly misogynist.

Because?

I shouldn't have to explain it to you. On it's face, pretty much every line of that article is shockingly misogynist.

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