2016 Primaries - 15 March Thread: FL, IL, MO, OH, NC, NMA

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15 Mar 2016, 11:25 pm

Missouri is the only one left to call for the Republicans: Trump and Cruz only 2000 votes apart out of more than 700,000.

Clinton took Florida, Ohio, and North Carolina, with Illinois and Missouri still too close to call.


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15 Mar 2016, 11:31 pm

what happens if cruz takes Missouri? they seem his natural constituency.



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15 Mar 2016, 11:55 pm

auntblabby wrote:
what happens if cruz takes Missouri? they seem his natural constituency.


Missouri is sort of winner-take-all, overall winner gets 9 delegates then 40 delegates get split proportionally by CD. Cruz will not get much out of Missouri even if he were able to eek out an overall victory which he won't.



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16 Mar 2016, 12:01 am

Hillary has come from behind to win Missouri by a little more than 1k votes

she'll have a clean sweep



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16 Mar 2016, 12:04 am

I want Bernie. :(



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16 Mar 2016, 12:44 am

At 99% it's a tie for cruz and trump and near tie for clinton/sanders.


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16 Mar 2016, 12:49 am

Ohio loss and every state he loses going forward keep the door open for the gop to nominate someone else. If trump took ohio, and/or had the support he claims (i. e. sweeping states with well over 50%), they'd have to go with trump even minus delegates. But given his lack of majorities, there isn't a flat must nominate trump.


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16 Mar 2016, 12:51 am

I wonder what the numerical odds are of a brokered convention? or in a percentage chance, I wonder if it is <50%?



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16 Mar 2016, 1:15 am

Back when brokered conventions were the norm the nominee was picked in the the proverbial smoke filled room. If it happens this year(I am doubtful) what a social media circus it would be.


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16 Mar 2016, 1:17 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Back when brokered conventions were the norm the nominee was picked in the the proverbial smoke filled room. If it happens this year(I am doubtful) what a social media circus it would be.

so you would calculate then, that trump takes the nomination sans drama? or that trump is somehow maneuvered out of getting the nomination and there is a big walk-out/split? or that he takes the nomination and there still is a big walk-out/split?



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16 Mar 2016, 1:51 am

They can't deny Trump the nomination, Ted Cruz would have to be nominee or else he wouldn't cooperate with his delegates. Cruz in the end is an opportunist I think and would side against the embattled party establishment if only just to preserve his outsider status in future elections(he's only 45), Trump can win a brokered convention if it came down to it. I think Trump will get the delegates, looking at the remaining states there aren't a lot of votes for Cruz left beyond the Evangelical middle of the country which has almost all voted and Kasich hasn't won anywhere besides the state he is the sitting governor of meaning Trump is prime position to win pretty much everywhere the rest of the way. Simply put where are Kasich and Cruz going to win?



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16 Mar 2016, 1:53 am

Jacoby wrote:
They can't deny Trump the nomination, Ted Cruz would have to be nominee or else he wouldn't cooperate with his delegates. Cruz in the end is an opportunist I think and would side against the embattled party establishment if only just to preserve his outsider status in future elections(he's only 45), Trump can win a brokered convention if it came down to it. I think Trump will get the delegates, looking at the remaining states there aren't a lot of votes for Cruz left beyond the Evangelical middle of the country which has almost all voted and Kasich hasn't won anywhere besides the state he is the sitting governor of meaning Trump is prime position to win pretty much everywhere the rest of the way. Simply put where are Kasich and Cruz going to win?

what of all those threats by various high-ranking party members to bolt if trump get the nod?



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16 Mar 2016, 2:12 am

The establishment would have to give the nomination to Ted Cruz to even have a chance at stealing the nomination which I don't think they will do, if Trump and Cruz have an overwhelming majority of the delegates combined then it's pure fantasy on anyone's part to think they could just sidestep the two and nominate someone else on a future ballot. If Cruz can't be president then he'd probably settle for VP if it came down to it, like I said he's a relatively young guy.

As for the Never Trump people, I don't think their threats really amount to much since I don't believe there are all that many people that subscribe to that thinking. High ranking party leadership and donors are still 1 man 1 vote, being a member of either of those groups is not too popular right now and I'd call their bluff. The neocons will abandon ship like the rats they are, Hillary is a natural alternative for them given her similar foreign policy views. I'd be afraid if I was Democrat of the Democratic leadership allowing these freaks back into the party and allowing them to gain influence, these people do not care about anything besides their deluded foreign policy.



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16 Mar 2016, 4:44 am

Trump Wins!

Cruz is dead meat. First he is tainted by being from Washington, and his Senate collages hate him. Also, Texas VP, bullet in the head election.

Kasich may not be the vote getter, but as a popular Governor of a real State, who did a good job in office, he has the experience Trump lacks. Ohio is in for an Industrial Revival. They have the people who can do it.

Kasich is the only person on either side who has ever governed anything. He made his numbers work.

State Governors are a powerful force who do want someone who understands their problems.

Religion, Neocons, and money have had too much power in the party.

The first fight is to Restore the Party as the Party of Common Sense. Evangelicals are not going to rally under the Rainbow Banner and vote Democrat. Neocons are agents of the Democrats, from which they came.

A friends of the economy and the future party of common sense is needed to attract the Moderates, Independents, and Democrats with a brain.

Trump could win with nothing more than he has. He is bringing out people who have not voted in decades. His rallies have Hell Yes! Energy. He can be elected on just, Get Rid of Illegals!

Hillary is Obama Light. She failed to beat him in an election, then failed as Secretary of State. She failed to maintain the security of the United State while handling Above Top Secret material.

Hillary's Platform seems to be, Trump is a racist. She has a hard time with women, being a Rape Defense Lawyer, and First Lady in charge of shutting up those b*****s who accused Bill of rape.

There is also a large string of bodies that follow her from Arkansas to Washington.

Make America Great Again calls for a Mandate.

A Trump landslide makes his time in office more effective. Our Type A Overachiever knows that the prepared win.

Congress should know from day one that a word from him and they are fired.

Under estimated time and under budget are Trump Hallmarks.

He will hit the ground running and his first hundred days will change America.



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16 Mar 2016, 9:42 am

If Trump is going to pick a moderate, he should go all in and pick Jim Webb, Webb is probably more conservative than Kasich as far as a lot of issues go. Kasich's record which he touts so much is awful, he came to Washington more than 35 years ago and what he has done in the private sector has been a disaster. This guy was a managing director at Lehman Brother's when it went bankrupt, he was one of the people that crafted NAFTA, he's for each an every way, don't let his recent act fool you since he was very negative at the beginning before deciding to lay low while everyone else got destroyed.

Trump/Webb would win a landslide against Hillary, the Democrats went all in for the minority vote and minority issues while abandoning the white working class majority of this country. This ticket would win Republicans, independents, and a ton of Democrats. They played this zero sum game with identity politics for years and it peaked with the election of Obama, you can't play this game too long until you've completely divided society which it has but I think Trump's message should resonate with across the racial spectrum with poor whites, blacks, legal Hispanics, other legal immigrants, etc who are all the primary victims of our globalist policies. Of course the media and the donor class will kick and scream, the elitists the control this country have set up a system that benefits their bottom lines and no one else.

Mass immigration and the creation of millions of low wage jobs for them while Americans get passed over for jobs isn't my idea of growth but the 1% it doesn't matter if their policies completely destroy the fabric of society and the QoL of the people already here because it makes them a buck.



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16 Mar 2016, 10:00 am

Inventor wrote:
He will hit the ground running and his first hundred days will change America.


I don' think so.

-No wall will ever be built.
-Trump is already being accused of wavering on his earlier promises of curtailing h1b immigrant programs
-millions of Mexicans won't be "kicked out"
-he will fail at making a bigger Obamacare
-he will fail at his tax cuts
-he will fail at huge tariffs