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21 Aug 2016, 6:18 pm

I think I'd vote for her too if I were an american. It must be really frustrating to have such an unfair electoral system as you do, feeling as if you are wasting your vote if you aren't voting for any of the two main parties.
But really, Clinton and Trump are such bad candidates that I'd happily waste my vote rather than vote for any of them.
Choosing between bad and worse isn't an option, and in this case I can't tell which is bad and which is worse, I don't think Clinton is any better than Trump.



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21 Aug 2016, 6:30 pm

MM99 wrote:
I think I'd vote for her too if I were an american. It must be really frustrating to have such an unfair electoral system as you do, feeling as if you are wasting your vote if you aren't voting for any of the two main parties.
But really, Clinton and Trump are such bad candidates that I'd happily waste my vote rather than vote for any of them.
Choosing between bad and worse isn't an option, and in this case I can't tell which is bad and which is worse, I don't think Clinton is any better than Trump.

for the working class, Clinton is clearly less harmful than trump who has said he believes American workers are paid too much. also wants to repeal health care reform, go back to the old non-system just in lock-step with the GOP. this election is a prime example of choosing the lesser of two evils.



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21 Aug 2016, 6:50 pm

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MM99 wrote:
I think I'd vote for her too if I were an american. It must be really frustrating to have such an unfair electoral system as you do, feeling as if you are wasting your vote if you aren't voting for any of the two main parties.
But really, Clinton and Trump are such bad candidates that I'd happily waste my vote rather than vote for any of them.
Choosing between bad and worse isn't an option, and in this case I can't tell which is bad and which is worse, I don't think Clinton is any better than Trump.

for the working class, Clinton is clearly less harmful than trump who has said he believes American workers are paid too much. also wants to repeal health care reform, go back to the old non-system just in lock-step with the GOP. this election is a prime example of choosing the lesser of two evils.


Oh, I didn't know that. Here in Europe we only hear about his racist and polemic statements. I actually thought he was more left-wing in economic issues (just in economic issues) than the average republican.
You may be right on that Clinton will be less harmful for the working class, but I think that the worse result she gets, the more likely it'll be for someone like Sanders to ever get the nomimation.
Look at UK. After the catastrophic result of the Labour Party in 2015, Corbyn won the primaries.
I think that if Clinton gets a good result, the possibility of changing the Democratic Party will be lost, probably forever.



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21 Aug 2016, 7:02 pm

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Oh, I didn't know that. Here in Europe we only hear about his racist and polemic statements. I actually thought he was more left-wing in economic issues (just in economic issues) than the average republican.
You may be right on that Clinton will be less harmful for the working class, but I think that the worse result she gets, the more likely it'll be for someone like Sanders to ever get the nomimation.
Look at UK. After the catastrophic result of the Labour Party in 2015, Corbyn won the primaries.
I think that if Clinton gets a good result, the possibility of changing the Democratic Party will be lost, probably forever.

what seems to be happening is that the demos have sorta morphed into what the liberal wing of the GOP used to be, while the GOP has morphed into a de-facto neofascist party, with trump as the new Mussolini of sorts.



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21 Aug 2016, 7:10 pm

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MM99 wrote:
Oh, I didn't know that. Here in Europe we only hear about his racist and polemic statements. I actually thought he was more left-wing in economic issues (just in economic issues) than the average republican.
You may be right on that Clinton will be less harmful for the working class, but I think that the worse result she gets, the more likely it'll be for someone like Sanders to ever get the nomimation.
Look at UK. After the catastrophic result of the Labour Party in 2015, Corbyn won the primaries.
I think that if Clinton gets a good result, the possibility of changing the Democratic Party will be lost, probably forever.

what seems to be happening is that the demos have sorta morphed into what the liberal wing of the GOP used to be, while the GOP has morphed into a de-facto neofascist party, with trump as the new Mussolini of sorts.


Well, I think you are exaggerating a bit. Trump isn't a fascist. He is a showman who has realized the more polemical he becomes, the more attention he gets. Sometimes the most polemic statements look a bit fascist, but he just does it because he wants to get attention.



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21 Aug 2016, 7:19 pm

a working description of American fascism as expressed by trump is the subordination of government to business interests, he would greatly accelerate this.



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22 Aug 2016, 1:20 am

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a working description of American fascism as expressed by trump is the subordination of government to business interests, he would greatly accelerate this.


This describes Obama especially even more so if you add greatly increasing the security state to the definition.


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22 Aug 2016, 1:22 am

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a working description of American fascism as expressed by trump is the subordination of government to business interests, he would greatly accelerate this.


This describes Obama especially even more so if you add greatly increasing the security state to the definition.

so it is a matter of choosing the better fascist or the worst fascist. good cop or bad cop.



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22 Aug 2016, 9:59 am

MM99 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
MM99 wrote:
Oh, I didn't know that. Here in Europe we only hear about his racist and polemic statements. I actually thought he was more left-wing in economic issues (just in economic issues) than the average republican.
You may be right on that Clinton will be less harmful for the working class, but I think that the worse result she gets, the more likely it'll be for someone like Sanders to ever get the nomimation.
Look at UK. After the catastrophic result of the Labour Party in 2015, Corbyn won the primaries.
I think that if Clinton gets a good result, the possibility of changing the Democratic Party will be lost, probably forever.

what seems to be happening is that the demos have sorta morphed into what the liberal wing of the GOP used to be, while the GOP has morphed into a de-facto neofascist party, with trump as the new Mussolini of sorts.


Well, I think you are exaggerating a bit. Trump isn't a fascist. He is a showman who has realized the more polemical he becomes, the more attention he gets. Sometimes the most polemic statements look a bit fascist, but he just does it because he wants to get attention.


I think a lot of what he says is mostly just for the attention...but yeah I think calling him a fascist would be a bit of a stretch. IDK though at this point I wouldn't be suprised if he's just been trolling everyone and doesn't even want the presidency even if he does win.


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22 Aug 2016, 10:52 am

I wish people would stop ripping on the Green party and the Libertarians for "taking away votes." I'm not saying people are doing that here, but you hear a lot of that in general. It would be nice if we had MORE party choices here in the US. Not everyone is a democrat or a republican so it's understandable that some people are not comfortable voting for a party candidate they don't believe in. Maybe some people really do believe in Stein's platform, or Johnson's platform, as far-stretched as that may seem to some of us. Those people have a right to be represented.



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22 Aug 2016, 3:51 pm

MM99 wrote:
Here in Europe we only hear about his racist and polemic statements. I actually thought he was more left-wing in economic issues (just in economic issues) than the average republican.

I don't think he has strong convictions in anything he says. That's why he's scary. You just don't know really. Lately he has been pandering more to the right on economic issues.