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12 Oct 2016, 3:30 am

Sorry, imagining scenarios, and in detail, plus discussing them, is too much of an Asperger game for me. (Sinclair Lewis might very well have been on the spectrum, too, btw). The only interesting point of your scenario for me was that it reminded me that there are many gun owners in the US, and that a lot of people would be able to try to assassinate a politician, if he or she goes too far.

I prefer reading about or listening to real life people who did stand up or left a country because of a dictatorship or because they have been politically compromised in their countries. Georg Elser with his assassination attempt against Hitler, or the street battles between communists and the Hitler troops at the beginning might be of some interest for you.

Why do you feel the need to make up scenarios btw?



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12 Oct 2016, 3:37 am

It stemmed from further reflections today on what happened here in the second half of the 1970s and first four years of the 1980s (as previously described) - which no-one (including me) prior to that thought was possible here. Not so much a "need" as a thread of thoughts on that theme and various scenarios that could follow.



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12 Oct 2016, 3:41 am

How come New Zealand doesn't make it easier to immigrate there? What kind of bigoted hate filled country actually picks and chooses what people it allows to enter? :roll:



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12 Oct 2016, 3:51 am

Drawing a long bow there? All countries have restrictions. New Zealand doesn't have any colour bar or religious test or anything like that. We are multicultural as a society and in terms of immigration.



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12 Oct 2016, 3:55 am

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How come New Zealand doesn't make it easier to immigrate there? What kind of bigoted hate filled country actually picks and chooses what people it allows to enter? :roll:

not just NZ but ALL nations of the commonwealth are similarly strict towards americans entering or even visiting. back during the winter Olympics @ Vancouver, I read in my local newspaper that Canada turned away 10s of thousands of American visitors during the last winter Olympics, for having things like traffic tickets and other misdemeanor offenses on their record.



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12 Oct 2016, 11:42 am

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Fascism came to America long before our current spat of things, I think George Carlin said something along the lines of 'Germany lost WWII but fascism won it" and I would say it came here well before that even. You students of history should know the praise heaped on these fascist regimes from America & the inspiration taken from America by these fascist regimes, most know that Adolf Hitler took inspiration from our greatest industrialist Henry Ford. We treat fascism and communism as these unique ideologies that never once existed in history before the 20th century but what are they in practice but despotism in search of a righteous cause?

Trump supports Supreme Court justices that will uphold the constitution, he wants to stop meddling in the Middle East and to change the American policy of regime change, and he'll reverse the centralization of power in our oppressive federal government so a fascist I think Trump is not relative to his opponent who openly disregards the rule of law and has shown a penchant for wreaking murderous havoc across the globe for decades now. Hillary is beholden to the special interests, she is a corporatist to her core and has no real ideological principles besides the relentless pursuit of power. Trump has power and money, he doesn't need to do this like Hillary does who has made hundreds of millions by selling political influence and may running to stay out of prison which is not an all too uncommon occurrence in other parts of the world as often the elected leaders are given immunity from prosecution and it seems we simply do that in all but name as nobody is ever really held accountable unless of course they've flown to close to the sun but that's not really holding who is really in charge responsible.


What you call our oppressive government ensures civil liberties for truly oppressed minorities. Much of the complaints of government overreach come from people who thought the civil rights act and voters rights act stepped on state and local government.
As for Clinton's lack of idealism - I'd rather have someone in the highest office guided by pragmatism. And the truth is, I doubt Trump is idealistic about anything, as he's thrown aside his more liberal opinions and his atheism for the sake of conservative politics.


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12 Oct 2016, 4:51 pm

in terms of foreign policy, trump will do as the moneymen behind the curtain tell him to do, just like with every other president. the truly scary thing is what he will do domestically, and the damage it will do to the lower classes and to our civil liberties in general, at least towards the lower classes. the upper classes will be even more above the law than they are now.



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12 Oct 2016, 4:56 pm

Given recent events, I think Trump's chance of winning are now going to enter drastic decline.



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12 Oct 2016, 6:32 pm

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Given recent events, I think Trump's chance of winning are now going to enter drastic decline.

this doesn't take into account the increased corruption in our electoral process. if nobody gets 270 electoral votes then the house decides and of course they will choose a GOPer. paul ryan, frankly, would be worse than trump. not to mention the hackers.



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12 Oct 2016, 6:40 pm

It's a concern. However if reputable polls (not the partisan type) show Trump way down just before the election, and then he mysteriously wins, surely acute scrutiny will have to take place into how that outcome came about?



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12 Oct 2016, 6:52 pm

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It's a concern. However if reputable polls (not the partisan type) show Trump way down just before the election, and then he mysteriously wins, surely acute scrutiny will have to take place into how that outcome came about?

our lapdog lamestream media is no longer capable of such scrutiny.



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12 Oct 2016, 6:58 pm

It was predictable that Trump's last card would be ludicrous scaremongering. Now he claims that "Isis will take over America if Clinton wins".

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ry-clinton

That's the most bizarre invented scenario yet, in this whole strange election discourse. If he really believes this, then he is probably showing paranoid features as well as the previously noted symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. All this and perversion too. And some people still want to vote for him, though not as many at present, it seems.



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12 Oct 2016, 7:00 pm

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It was predictable that Trump's last card would be ludicrous scaremongering. Now he claims that "Isis will take over America if Clinton wins".

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ry-clinton

That's the most bizarre invented scenario yet, in this whole strange election discourse. If he really believes this, then he is probably showing paranoid features as well as the previously noted symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. All this and perversion too. And some people still want to vote for him, though not as many at present, it seems.

plus he keeps having "senior moments" in terms of saying the wrong things, most recently he told people to go out and vote on November 28 [election day is the 8th], so I am wondering if he is starting to become senescent?



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12 Oct 2016, 7:06 pm

auntblabby wrote:
B19 wrote:
It's a concern. However if reputable polls (not the partisan type) show Trump way down just before the election, and then he mysteriously wins, surely acute scrutiny will have to take place into how that outcome came about?

our lapdog lamestream media is no longer capable of such scrutiny.


One difference from the past, in this election, is that the world as a whole is watching very closely. If Trump was to win, against all reasonable indicators, other countries (allies particularly perhaps) can't be depended upon to remain silent and passive in response.

Also corrupt help for Trump from Russia is a distinct and known risk, not an unsuspected one. The whole world is watching.

America under a Trump presidency could suddenly find itself without any allies at all. That wouldn't make America great, it would make America significantly more vulnerable to hostile attack, and God only knows where that could lead.



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12 Oct 2016, 7:11 pm

Trump and Putin form too much of a mutual admiration society for my tastes.



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12 Oct 2016, 7:12 pm

we need the world's prayers. :o