The Trump Effect

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Just going to add, even though it won't make a difference, I am an enthusiastic Clinton supporter. I have been saying since the primaries that Democrats had a fantastic set of options. The joke going around was the Democrats have an embarrassment of riches while the Republicans just have an embarrassment. I am actively canvassing for local democrats and I have canvassed for Clinton herself. There are plenty of enthusiastic Clinton supporters out there.

You only have to look at recordings to see this happens both sides, and one side orchestrated it in Chicago.
As for what one person describes as an attack and crazy - not everyone is going to be able to adapt to a person's level of comfort or read their mind and figure out what DSM conditions they have. That shouldn't discount them as crazy or dangerous whether they're a Hillary or Trump support. Their actions will speak for themselves.

Please allow me to repeat myself... I'm a man of modest wealth and poor taste:


Source:
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As for college expenditures....



Source: http://www.cbpp.org/research/state-budg ... e-students

It is true that the US already spends a lot on healthcare but that does not mean you can just flip the costs from private insurance to nationalized healthcare and expect it to go off without a hitch. It would be far more disrupting and expensive than a secured border would be so the point was simply that it is not unrealistic relative the much bigger & damaging boondoggles incurred by previous administrations.

anyway here's a good video that no so intentionally comes off as pro-Trump but it's pretty ironic who is narrating it, explains why so many Americans support Trump.

I'm not using the word "crazy" in terms of DSM conditions (because I have a couple of those and I am not dangerous to anyone, most people with mental health issues are not physically dangerous) but in terms of angry hateful people. I am not scared of people with mental health issues, but I am scared of hateful people who scream "TRUMP!TRUMP!TRUMP!" at his rallies, because I might be a member of one of the groups that they hate and might out myself as such if I were to admit I don't support Trump. So I would just say "sure, Trump is great...." and then just try to get away from the person as soon as possible. I've seen what happens at their rallies to people who belong to the groups they don't like...

Hey, you're a female. That already makes you belong to a group many of them don't like, or at least don't respect.

Sorry to text pyramid. Anyways...

You realise most of the riots in the rallies and streets of Charlotte, NC were by people from outside of the state being bussed in right? The same as in Chicago.

Not only am I female, I am disabled, mentally ill, a feminist, an LGBTQI ally, and a liberal. You better believe I'm going to go along with Trump supporters in person to not make any waves and to facilitate getting away from them, I'm not stupid or suicidal.

Gays support Trump
Women support Trump
Members of the black community support Trump
Members of this forum support Trump without any opposition from fellow Trump supporters
Viewing any recent rally video or searching Twitter would abundantly clarify this.
There is no need to generalise.

Granted I am not American and neither is anyone I know, but no one I know personally supports Trump or likes the idea of him being president, and most of the people I know belong to a minority group that he has made denigrating and hateful statements about publicly (whether it be women or gays or latinxs.)

ETA: To be fair, as far as I am aware Trump has not made any direct hateful comments about LGBTQI people. But I don't get the impression from what I have seen on TV of his supporters that they would be welcoming of and not hateful to LGBTQI people.

E²TA: I forgot that Pence is openly anti LGBTQI, so I imagine Trump's hypothetical policies that we will never see because he will never be president) would reflect that.

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Yeah but its basically like Jews for Hitler at this point. I know I'm being hyperbolic there but the first three groups you mentioned are voting against their own interests by supporting Trump.

First he picked Pence for VP who is one of the most anti LGBT legislator you can find. Second he advocates for stop and frisk. And he's being accused of sexual harassment by several women. Yeah he's not going to do any of those groups any favors. There are reasons why Trump doesn't do well with minorities.

I appreciate that - but it's a stretch to say those demographics don't support him because the people you personally know that fit into those demographics don't.

Going back to the opening post:
I can't wait for this election to be over regardless of who wins.
The answers to my opening post, and the continuing influx of anti and pro Trump threads tells me that whether you love him or hate him it's all about him and you have your media outlets and selves to thank for it. Hillary held real influence back in 2008 and if she had been elected over Obama I'm sure her record would not be as strongly criticised. The problem is she wants more of what Obama did and more of the same. We've had 8 years to discuss most of this and I think is why it's all about Trump.

@GGPViper - thanks for sharing. I didn't doubt anyone had positive things to say, I was just at an end trying to figure out where all the positivity went. You're one of the more balanced people of this subforum. I wasn't attacking Hillary on this occasion, and I respect your views. I sincerely want to see more constructive discussion about all candidates in the race. We had it in the past, and it seems it's non existent now.

@Luke Mike Pence is a traditional Republican and it was a wise pick for Trump. Trump's more liberal leaning towards social issues does conflict with Mr. Pence however and that's something they still have to resolve in some issues. They now share the pro life stance, but Trump can only bend so far on traditional GOP values before he alienates his independent and converted voters.

I'm pretty sure though that most polls show that the majority of people of voting age in those groups largely vote democrat and won't be voting for Trump, so I think my anecdotal evidence is reflective of the stance of the majority of the members of those groups. I know for certain that most American women don't support Trump and won't vote for him, there have been lots of articles and polls since the "pussy-grabbing" tape came out that show that.

Is that you in that picture, Mr. The Spectrum? That's a very nice picture. Didn't you have the eye in the keyhole?

Yes and yes.

Well, it's nice to see the real you. That picture of you is very handsome. I like to be able to put a face with a name.