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26 Nov 2016, 4:40 am

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It's true that the some of the laws of Israel and some Israeli Jews discriminate against non-Jewish citizens. It's ignorant bigotry to suggest that all Israeli Jews endorse this discrimination.

Jews in Israel discriminate against Palestinians by participating in the nation of Israel. It is an artificial construct that has caused decades of unrest. I know that some Jewish people don't live in or support Israel, so I'm not referring to them.
I know all about the sojourn of the displaced Jews after WW2, but taking a portion of the land of others was not the solution.



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26 Nov 2016, 8:07 am

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One of the biggest reasons for European Antisemitism is due to the fact that Jews were seen as most likely shills/spies, or a fifth column for the Ottoman Empire and the Moors. --Back in the day there were no issues with Jews in Islamic lands as long as they payed Zakat.


That special tax means that there were issues with the Jews.

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26 Nov 2016, 8:12 am

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Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

And yet they are trying to destroy the Palestinians.
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Reciprocity is fair play where I come from.

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26 Nov 2016, 8:16 am

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Why isn't recognition of your own ideology supposed to result in a religious war.


Gnostic Christianity is not an idol worshiping cult and has no imaginary God to fight for.

We do as Jesus preach. We seek God and do not idol worship. We are esoteric ecumenists.

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26 Nov 2016, 8:26 am

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The imaginations of most religious thinkers that I have read seem grossly inadequate to the scale of the reality revealed by our scientific exploration of the energies around us.


Religious thinkers should be pondering moral issues and not scientific issues that have no relevance to morality.

If they would stick to that, we would have a lot less wars and their theology might actually catch up to our better secular laws.

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26 Nov 2016, 8:37 am

friedmacguffins wrote:
I am addressing it to any competing, religious view, in general, but to the OP, in particular.

Can your faith result in world war.


Yes, but we would only engage if it was forced onto us.
As esoteric ecumenists and God seekers, we prefer to fight with words and good deeds instead of doing what religions like Christianity and Islam did, --- to grow by the sword instead of good deeds.

We believe in self defence and I am sure that our old mystery schools tried to defend themselves against the Christians who decimated us the moment Constantine gave them political power to kill and burn all free thinkers.

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26 Nov 2016, 8:46 am

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Except you can't really compare crimes committed by individuals, to the systematic oppression of Muslims by Jews. You can't compare the paranoid delusions of "white genocide", to the very real danger of Palestinian genocide. .


I agree that Jews are presently overstepping moral bounds and a few Muslims are under their oppression.

Care to discuss the oppression, and basically a Muslims genocide against all other faiths and non-affiliated in the Middle East?

I will assume you have heard of all the Christian church burnings.

Do you find it strange that Christianity was basically born in the Middle East and that there are almost no Christians left there?

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26 Nov 2016, 8:52 am

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You blame Jews for the actions of Israel.

That is wrong, as I'm sure you already know.



Just a quick question.

If a nations people are not to blame for what the nation does, who does the blame belong to?

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26 Nov 2016, 8:56 am

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Their faith formally recognizes only two kinds of territory, called the zone (or house) of war, or of submission. Is your house Islamist?


Interesting point my friend.

Could you reference this notion for me in Islam's holy books please?

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26 Nov 2016, 9:07 am

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I suspect that if you want to be a decent human being you must identify as human first and consider any religious, national or ethnic identity as secondary to that. This seems to be an area that many people of all backgrounds have difficulty with.


I to have promoted man first, God second, but idol worshiping cults like Christianity and Islam do not like that notion.

If they were God seekers as Jesus preached for all to be, instead of idol worshipers, we would have a lot less killing and they would appease their love of war aside for dialog. A war of words and ideologies is not as damaging and is a lot more fruitful for all than killing each other while ignoring the ideologies at play.

As you have noted though, our love of war as the epitome of our love of drama, if I can paraphrase what you put, controls us more than our altruistic gene does. Or so it seems.

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26 Nov 2016, 9:23 am

GnosticBishop wrote:
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You blame Jews for the actions of Israel.

That is wrong, as I'm sure you already know.



Just a quick question.

If a nations people are not to blame for what the nation does, who does the blame belong to?

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Learn to read please.

He said "dont blame the Jews for what Israel does".

He did NOT say "dont blame the Israelies for what Israel does". There is a difference.

Most Jews live in the global Diaspora outside of Israel so most Jews are not "the nation's people" . And many Israeli citizens are not Jews.



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26 Nov 2016, 9:40 am

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Back to the original topic.


Thanks.

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The OP is saying that both the Jews and his brand of Christianity believe in the Golden Rule. Therefore that makes his brand of Christianity better than other brands of Christianity, and better than Islam.


Demonstrably so. Yes.
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But all major religions believe in the Golden Rule:Abrahamic, as well as eastern religions (Confucian, Buddhist, etc).



Not so.

Christianity nor Islam follow the Golden rule as both basically make women more like chattel in Christianity and more like slave in Islam. This is shown in Islamic laws like the Afghanistan rape law and in Christian doctrine like, he will rule over you, men over women of course, and their stay silent and do not teach men scripture. Both religions are homophobic and misogynous and thus are not practicing the Golden Rule. Jewry is less so on these issues and they do not come up in Gnostic Christianity as we are a Universalist religion that has tied equality to righteousness.

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26 Nov 2016, 9:46 am

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Did I say you have anything in common with ISIS? No, I did not, so don't you dare get on me with the rhetoric that I have more in common with them when I have been THREATENED by a sympathizer for them on this forum before.

Islamophobia would mean a fear of Muslims, which I do not have. It's a blanket BS statement to put on anyone who disagrees with Islam (which the liberal media is too cowardly to criticize in this day and age). Islam is not a race. It is an religion that can and will be criticized. I don't go psychotic when someone criticizes my religion (Catholicism) or posts a picture of Jesus.


Given their ideology, and given that many Muslims even kill Muslims, any who do not fear Muslims,--- including Muslims, in a general way, are rather dumb in my view.

There are too many dangerous fanatical ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nri300CcCuE

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26 Nov 2016, 9:57 am

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I know all about the sojourn of the displaced Jews after WW2, but taking a portion of the land of others was not the solution.


I agree that that may not have been the best solution but what other option did the West have given the long history of systematic persecution of Jews in Europe and elsewhere?

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26 Nov 2016, 10:00 am

naturalplastic wrote:
GnosticBishop wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
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You blame Jews for the actions of Israel.

That is wrong, as I'm sure you already know.



Just a quick question.

If a nations people are not to blame for what the nation does, who does the blame belong to?

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Learn to read please.

He said "dont blame the Jews for what Israel does".

He did NOT say "dont blame the Israelies for what Israel does". There is a difference.

Most Jews live in the global Diaspora outside of Israel so most Jews are not "the nation's people" . And many Israeli citizens are not Jews.


You could have corrected without the hate.

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26 Nov 2016, 11:11 am

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I know all about the sojourn of the displaced Jews after WW2, but taking a portion of the land of others was not the solution.


I agree that that may not have been the best solution but what other option did the West have given the long history of systematic persecution of Jews in Europe and elsewhere?

I don't know, but the solution they came up with was doomed to continued strife. It would be like the indigenous people kicking me out of my building so they could live there because the settlers took the land it sits on from them. It's true, but I would still be angry.
I don't think there is a solution to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict and so no end to conflict in the rest of the world. If Trump survives the Stein recount, then he and Putin will join forces and they will blast the middle east to ashes and then argue over the spoils.